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Virginia election data
D+2.9: R 236; D 199
D+5.9: R 231; D 204
D+7.9: R 225 ; D 210
D+9.9: R 218; D 217
D+12.9: R 196; D 239
I have read that the Libertarians caused the Democrat Pickup in 2016
Which Democrat pickup?
Trump probably would have won in New Hampshire and Nevada were it not for the Libertarians
he also could have won Minnesota
I doubt that
The type of people who voted for gary weren't potential MAGA guys, I can tell you that.
why not ?
Trump has libertarian appeal
Styxhexenhammer666 was originally planning to vote for Johnson but decided to choose Trump
they were more the lulzy "haha fuck trump and clinton" type of libertarians, the people who say and are proud of being third party for the sake of being third party.
@FLanon yeah I'm familiar with those types
I think the vast majority of those people wouldn't have voted otherwise
but I think there are people who voted for Johnson who would have been willing to vote for Trump if the libertarian presence wasn't as strong
Now if Ron Paul or someone of that nature was running on the Libertarian ticket, I'd be humming a different tune. That may have stolen votes.
also, Evan McMullin stole enough votes in Minnesota that you could say it would have gone to Trump otherwise
hivemind
by a margin of 10,000 if every McMullin vote went to Trump he would've won MN, but I doubt that 6/7 McMullin voters would've went for Trump
NeverTrumpers, the such
It's been proven at this point that McMullin proved Minnesota to swing to the Democrats, by the good old "Nader stole Florida." metric.
I can't tell if it's for better or for worse that the USA didn't have a Canadian-style Reform Party takeover, on that note.
The Progressive Conservatives in Canada were essentially replaced by their Ross Perot supporting counterparts in Canada, due to the fact that electing the Reform Party of Canada required electing a Reform legislature.
In other words, Ross Perot lost because he could never control Congress. Reform Canada won because precisely the opposite was true--Commons elects the Prime Minister.
But if Ross Perot became President in 1992 or 1996, would we have a Justin Trudeau like monster today?
The Canadian Tories, formed by the merger of the Reform/CA party with the Prog. Cons., have been failing to outlaw abortion and gay marriage pretty much continuously for decades.
And they can actually just suspend human rights and ban those things in Canada, as their Supreme Court is weak.
And they didn't even disclose Canadian immigration stats until they were leaked by dissidents under Trudeau
So no one even knew it was an issue.
And on top of that, they ratified NAFTA--the treaty they were founded to oppose--and joined the WTO.
That said, they didn't even get into office until Stephen Harper. So they basically had to repeal all of that.
This is interesting Nuke. I had read Alberta is very Conservative. How do they feel about being in such a Liberal mess? Is there any talk of session?
Alberta is already under a left-wing Socialist government because the right-wing parties were too busy infighting with their 60+% majority
It's actually a big part of why Trudeau was elected: Conservatives were extremely demoralized by being defeated by a landslide in Alberta.
The right-wing party was able to defeat the moderate "Progressive Conservatives," but the right lost over 20 points overall from all of the infighting, leaving them with a feeble simple majority between both parties--and because Canada's electoral system is a two-party-optimized FPTP system like the USA has...that meant the most united party, the New Democrats, won.
The New Democrats won 40% of the Alberta vote too, which gave them a huge amount of momentum until the CBC--Canada's equivalent of PBS or the BBC--actually began encouraging NDP voters to vote Liberal to stop the Tories from being reelected.
if only Canada had a two-party system