Here's another thing for you to look at Firefly
and SPEED IT UP (the footage)
https://youtu.be/vj9rXJPpuUw?t=42

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.another thing for you to look into .... "fata morgana"

Okay, watching now

I know what that is

https://www.farmersalmanac.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/ship-fatamorgana-600x319.jpg

this is fata morgana

it's a superior mirage

ok, sure, mr Chicago Weatherman

uhm ..itd be inverted / upside down, if that were the case

```Passing through the temperature inversion, the light rays are bent down, and so the image appears above the true object, hence the name superior```

not necessarily

i have pics like that too, so what lol

woah, that's extreme! I like it tbh

that looks like a bad copy past job

but, i also have _This_ ...

this still only shows ships being shown *above* the horizon due to the mirage, not below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tflhWwoqWAw

Please don't change the subject

We're discussing the ship

not the sun

you see how the light rays are on a diagonal, that is because of a close sun, 3,400 miles away. light wouldn't be coming in that direction if the sun was further out

the "atmosphere" actis as a lens, and atmospherica refraction/magnification etc, ...will make things seemingly "lower" into the distance

Oh? Can I have a diagram please, Mike? It helps me understand

similar to this , too ..
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oDjju_IM2xc/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEjCNACELwBSFryq4qpAxUIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJDeAE=&rs=AOn4CLAshEVPWjY-XhdspG0Lbd08RDjJaA

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is that supposed to be animated?

it's just a still image for me

https://prnt.sc/kxderc
i recommend vids on this page / yt channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7pHE0PsVBBGIyAShyyUCqQ/videos

I just want a diagram to explain the path of the light, and how atmospheric refraction affects it

its in those videos

which one?

rob skiba does draw diagrams

I think that is someone else doing those particular videos

i linked Rob Skiba, ..and P-brane

which video tho

I skimmed thru the first video, Ive watched it before

I was thinking he was wrong about light refraction

which video has an explanation of light being refracted by the atmosphere to show a ship below the horizon?

but I guess water can change direction because of water