Message from @Moist Mayonnaise

Discord ID: 493035584198017024


2018-09-22 12:23:38 UTC  

Accompanying information and imagery to go with the above PDFs and resources.

"As he looks downward toward his feet the slant approaches zero, as he looks upward the slant increases, as the center of ckesr vision approaches the horizon the slant becomes maximal, and at the horizon itself the land ceases to be a surface and becomes an edge."

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/461973747197411339/Screenshot_20180628-121601_Drive.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/461973747776094228/Screenshot_20180628-121640_Drive.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458196098767388674/459444571332411412/Screenshot_20180621-113400_Drive.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458099953349427210/461804044697075712/unknown-35-1-1.png

2018-09-22 12:24:08 UTC  

Okay, now these are interesting. Finally some diagrams haha

2018-09-22 12:24:19 UTC  

But these are irrelevant

2018-09-22 12:24:22 UTC  

since we're using a zoom lens

2018-09-22 12:24:48 UTC  

Camera's don't work the same as the eye. In particular the image you are showing to show that points of light can't be resolved below the rayleigh criterion is not in general true.

2018-09-22 12:24:56 UTC  

Thank you

2018-09-22 12:25:11 UTC  

sometimes I can't put my thoughts into words as well as other people ;P

2018-09-22 12:25:28 UTC  

Think of the light coming to your eye geometrically like a pair of scissors

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515890759729182/493035102146920468/65116694_resized550bbc_sg_g4_eye-6.png

2018-09-22 12:25:30 UTC  

The rayleigh criterion being a limit is a property of diffraction from a ciruclar aperture. Cameras can (and often do) have non circular apertures that can resolve beyond the rayleigh criterion.

2018-09-22 12:25:54 UTC  

ooo, I didn't know that!

2018-09-22 12:25:59 UTC  

That's cool :o

2018-09-22 12:26:11 UTC  

😃

2018-09-22 12:26:17 UTC  

scissors

2018-09-22 12:26:22 UTC  

back to what Z was saying

2018-09-22 12:26:41 UTC  

When the scissors close it becomes unresolvable

2018-09-22 12:26:45 UTC  

A flat plane cannot obscure half of an object

2018-09-22 12:26:46 UTC  

One of the biggest differences for instance is axicon lenses which can produce non-diffractive beams.

2018-09-22 12:27:02 UTC  

The angle the light is coming to your eye dictates that closure

2018-09-22 12:27:23 UTC  

For a gaussian beam on a circular lens*

2018-09-22 12:27:30 UTC  

For other waveforms and other lenses, no

2018-09-22 12:27:30 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515890759729182/493035614921424896/20180918_121134.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515890759729182/493035614921424898/550px-Regiomontanus.problem.png

2018-09-22 12:28:24 UTC  

If you are closer to something...it will start to blend sooner than something further

2018-09-22 12:28:31 UTC  

Height can cause this

2018-09-22 12:28:46 UTC  

Or distance

2018-09-22 12:29:31 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515890759729182/493036121647742977/20180709_140838-3-2.jpg

2018-09-22 12:30:43 UTC  

Imagine the vertical lines are say light post and the point on the left is where the observers eyes would be

2018-09-22 12:30:44 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515890759729182/493036425890234370/unknown.png

2018-09-22 12:30:57 UTC  

on a flat plane, we should still be able to see the whole ship

2018-09-22 12:31:04 UTC  

yet half of it is obscured.

2018-09-22 12:31:11 UTC  

Your not doing it right

2018-09-22 12:31:21 UTC  

Oh? please fix my diagram then haha

2018-09-22 12:31:36 UTC  

I could be wrong :v
So if you can diagram the picture

2018-09-22 12:31:39 UTC  

then by all means

2018-09-22 12:31:43 UTC  

You're not taking into account how light works at great distances

2018-09-22 12:31:56 UTC  

I just explained it to youm

2018-09-22 12:32:10 UTC  

how light works at great distances? the photon thing?

2018-09-22 12:32:28 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515890759729182/493036862546640896/Gradiant_Slope_and_opbjects_blurring_from_togther_from_the_bottom_up.-2.png

2018-09-22 12:32:46 UTC  

see how in this picture you're closer to the left side hallway and you start to lose the left first

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484515890759729182/493036940740788234/images1.jpg

2018-09-22 12:32:57 UTC  

perspective, you can only see so far, the sun is going in a circle covering all the land masses in a day, traveling in a circle, you can only see so far so you see it going over the see-able view in your area