Message from @April
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usually communism at that point then turns into a dictatorship, is corrupted, and ends up with capitalism again
So this happened in soviet russia?
this is why the "overthrowing the state alongside anarchists" never works
right
you can see it wherever communists start getting power
anarchists support because the progress is beneficial to us
and then communists fuck everyone over once in power
this is why I'm supportive of "weening off" the reliance of state+capitalism
Also, how would you explain the opposing of the leftist ideologies in Russia nowadays?
rather than trying to overpower and overthrow it from the inside
right so in russia what had happened was that communists got into power
and power naturally corrupts (which is why anarchists oppose it)
they switched leaders at one point iirc
and eventually they ended up being corrupt and turning into a dictatorship
after that people saw that communism wasn't working
black markets popped up
and they grew in support
we see this same process happening in north korea right now
they're migrating from communism to capitalism
I see, so the anarchists need another ideology to grow in power, but then this same ideology who helped them destroys them?
so anarchists have traditionally had two routes to our ideology
the first is the one I just described. help communists, then when in power dissolve government/ownership
the second is what you see in the middle east and places like egypt
a violent revolution, usually alongside communists and disgruntled capitalists
the problem is that it ends up with a power vaccuum, and a dictator takes the stand for people to follow
so basically: tear down and become a dictatorship, or build up and become communist then a dictatorship
and dictatorships with ownership and communist distribution give rise to black markets and capitalism
hence the horrible cycle anarchists find ourselves in
i see, so you guys basically have no way to rule without becoming a dictatorship?
not quite
so the issue is that since ownership is still in place, that naturally leads to capitalism no matter the route
communists support ownership due to their economic model
which is why it always collapses
the problem historically is that anarchists have not yet dismantled the ownership expectation
under capitalism it's impossible to do
under communism the only way to do it is through government changes
So didnt any anarchist think about a violent uprising, for a "greater good"?
right, that's why we got the second route of tearing things down
the idea is to just overthrow government and reject it's power
but given societal expectations and ways of living, it still results in capitalism