where both work together to achieve an egalitarian society

and then the communists afterwards oppress anarchists to push their model of government

usually communism at that point then turns into a dictatorship, is corrupted, and ends up with capitalism again

So this happened in soviet russia?

this is why the "overthrowing the state alongside anarchists" never works

right

you can see it wherever communists start getting power

anarchists support because the progress is beneficial to us

and then communists fuck everyone over once in power

this is why I'm supportive of "weening off" the reliance of state+capitalism

Also, how would you explain the opposing of the leftist ideologies in Russia nowadays?

rather than trying to overpower and overthrow it from the inside

right so in russia what had happened was that communists got into power

and power naturally corrupts (which is why anarchists oppose it)

they switched leaders at one point iirc

and eventually they ended up being corrupt and turning into a dictatorship

after that people saw that communism wasn't working

black markets popped up

and they grew in support

we see this same process happening in north korea right now

they're migrating from communism to capitalism

I see, so the anarchists need another ideology to grow in power, but then this same ideology who helped them destroys them?

exactly

so anarchists have traditionally had two routes to our ideology

the first is the one I just described. help communists, then when in power dissolve government/ownership

the second is what you see in the middle east and places like egypt

a violent revolution, usually alongside communists and disgruntled capitalists

the problem is that it ends up with a power vaccuum, and a dictator takes the stand for people to follow

so basically: tear down and become a dictatorship, or build up and become communist then a dictatorship

and dictatorships with ownership and communist distribution give rise to black markets and capitalism

hence the horrible cycle anarchists find ourselves in

i see, so you guys basically have no way to rule without becoming a dictatorship?

not quite

so the issue is that since ownership is still in place, that naturally leads to capitalism no matter the route

communists support ownership due to their economic model

which is why it always collapses

the problem historically is that anarchists have not yet dismantled the ownership expectation

under capitalism it's impossible to do

under communism the only way to do it is through government changes

So didnt any anarchist think about a violent uprising, for a "greater good"?

right, that's why we got the second route of tearing things down