Message from @I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS

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2018-09-10 10:49:13 UTC  

@xXPuppyLoverXx Yes it is within their rights. That is why we need IBOR. The Internet Bill of Rights.

2018-09-10 10:49:23 UTC  

It's a private company telling you to go away, not a country arresting you for thought crime

2018-09-10 10:49:54 UTC  

They are under no obligation to host your content

2018-09-10 10:50:09 UTC  

@The Gwench would the IBOR allow Isis videos and videos promoting shakeria law?

2018-09-10 10:50:31 UTC  

If you ban sites deleting videos you end up with a very big problem

2018-09-10 10:50:40 UTC  

Since that goes completely against a lot of copyright law

2018-09-10 10:50:57 UTC  

I could pirate a film, host it on YouTube and they wouldn’t be allowed to delete it

2018-09-10 10:51:06 UTC  

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS Regrettably, this would still not fix the problem with terrorist propaganda.

2018-09-10 10:51:20 UTC  

Nice dodge

2018-09-10 10:51:57 UTC  

You couldn't possibly remove it if there was an IBOR

2018-09-10 10:52:29 UTC  

By al means, force ISPs to treat all traffic equally but forcing websites to treat all hosted content equally just isn’t practical

2018-09-10 10:53:23 UTC  

@xXPuppyLoverXx The Internet bill of rights is about freedom of your own speech...not someone else’s.

2018-09-10 10:53:41 UTC  

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2018-09-10 10:54:14 UTC  

But if it applies to all people everyone would be able to post anything

2018-09-10 10:54:20 UTC  

YouTube is censoring opinions
They take down videos talking against Islam cause it is not advertiser friendly
And yeah they are in their right to do that
However they've started demonitising that kinda vids which I think is fair

2018-09-10 10:54:26 UTC  

Because of their own freedom

2018-09-10 10:54:27 UTC  

A website deleting your video isn’t a freedom of speech problem

2018-09-10 10:54:42 UTC  

A government arresting you for posting your video is

2018-09-10 10:55:05 UTC  

Just because you have the right to say something doesn’t mean everyone is forced to listen to you

2018-09-10 10:55:30 UTC  

So the IBOR is for a few select people?

2018-09-10 10:55:41 UTC  

Otherwise it would allow Isis vids

2018-09-10 10:56:31 UTC  

@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS The IBOR would allow ISIS videos.

2018-09-10 10:56:59 UTC  

Relevant xkcd as always

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484514023698726912/488664178672795674/image0.png

2018-09-10 10:57:00 UTC  

It's not freedoms of speech problem but it is censorship and it's within their right to do that tbh

2018-09-10 10:57:54 UTC  

However, there could be ways around the ISIS videos if they are found to incite violence.

2018-09-10 10:58:09 UTC  

Which is the current system

2018-09-10 10:58:28 UTC  

Eh you can find snuff with a few clicks what's your point

2018-09-10 10:58:44 UTC  

The IBOR would be useless as nothing would change

2018-09-10 10:59:05 UTC  

There’d just be a ton more porn on youtube

2018-09-10 10:59:16 UTC  

Nice <:snapsnap:484956825863585792>

2018-09-10 10:59:37 UTC  

However, people that have pro-trump views are being censored. Without having committed any incitement of hatred or violence.

2018-09-10 11:00:01 UTC  

Everyone protrump is being censored?

2018-09-10 11:00:05 UTC  

Are they being purged from the internet by the government? Or do sites just not want that stuff on their site

2018-09-10 11:00:20 UTC  

I can find YouTubers who actively support trump and still have their platform

2018-09-10 11:01:00 UTC  

If I was running a website and some fuckwit started going on about how trump is the messiah then id probably remove it, that’s not censorship though

2018-09-10 11:01:37 UTC  

@Satan The censorship is in the form of shadowbanning. You need to know specifically who or what you are looking for.

2018-09-10 11:01:50 UTC  

Where is this happening?

2018-09-10 11:01:51 UTC  

The rules in this server would also no longer apply

2018-09-10 11:02:16 UTC  

I could send satanic images and speak in not English and you couldn't stop me

2018-09-10 11:02:24 UTC  

It is censorship @xXPuppyLoverXx

2018-09-10 11:02:33 UTC  

But you're not wrong to be doing that