Unfortunately the modern ones have shit quality

According to this guide, larue for $800 is insanely cheap.

BCM complete uppers cost over $1000

Larue is very good. Focused more on precision than anything. Their triggers are a bit below geissele, though their accuracy and precision of machining is into the competition realm. It's not as crazy as other competition brands, but you also wouldn't want to take a heavy Krieger barrel into battle

I haven't looked at how well their receivers match up but they're known for having one of the best upper receivers out there, and top quality qd optic mounts

Well the lower will be an 80%er anyway

Only two minor complaints. They refuse to say what their barrel is made out of, though it's very accurate. They exclusively sell on their website, though they have good discounts from time to time.

When on sale, their trigger is $80 which is fantastic for a trigger similar to geissele but with a slightly longer reset

So is Geissele basically best of the best triggers?

That's the impression I used to be under years ago.

There's other triggers that match geissele in quality but none have the track record geissele does

Timney and the ar gold trigger come to mind as a couple

I mean as far as rifle triggers go, the milspec ar15 trigger is pretty good anyway, but there's some really nice ones out there

Why wouldn’t I take a heavy Krieger into battle?

@dreadnokboi I love mine

Because it's heavy and sucks to carry. I'd run it on a precision rifle but not a carbine

Lol I gotta stop looking at Gucci gear when my budget is potato haha.

I'd much rather have a chrome lined chf barrel on a doorkicker gun

Meh. Your gun is pretty much the lightest bit of kit you have to deal with, I wouldn’t be concerned until you get up past 12lbs

I have a larue UU kit ordered with their stripped lower

Going to take like 4 fucking months though

Nice

My recce rifle with bipod and suppressor is a hair over 13lbs, just under 12 without them

Ounces equal pounds. If you can cut weight without sacrificing utility, it's worth it no matter how strong you are.

A heavy 11.5 barrel weighs twice what a contoured one does

I mean yes. But build a rifle that is capable of fulfilling its role, then worry about weight.

My main carbine weighs 8.25lbs

Functionality is a given. I mean we don't congratulate people for not shitting their pants.

I kinda feel like stoner's design got bastardized. A rifle may be extremely good quality with a DD government barrel and a KAC quad rail, then maybe an elcan, PEQ, another flashlight, and so on. Then you have a 6 pound rifle except it's 10 pounds with a barrel that's half the length

Maybe not an elcan on a 10.3 but you get the point

Elcan on 10.3 is goon certified

Yes, but capabilities. An M16A2 can’t do half of the shit that a kitted out carbine can, fact.

Definitely has more capabilities but certain design aspects are regressive, mainly the barrel and rail. The attachments are gonna add weight regardless but some things seem to be contrary to the original philosophy for the sake of either politics or dumbass officers, usually both

Also god damn I wish I could afford an elcan spectre. I forgot they had the 1-4

I love the idea of a throw lever instead of zoom

I fucked with an elcan in a shoothouse for a few weeks

Definitely super cool, has some problems.

What are you implying is contrary to the original philosophy

The original philosophy was to have a lightweight yet still fairly powerful rifle that was easy to point, ergonomic, and wouldn't fatigue soldiers like its heavier predecessors. A few design decisions later on were pretty contrary to this, mainly the government profile barrel and the quad rail. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on the quad rail, that maybe they just weren't able to make an effective mounting system that involved cutting parts from a handguard shape like mlok instead of adding picatinny to it.

Quad rail is love. Quad rail is life.