As far as I am concerned, there is no more powerful motivation

@The Enlightened Shepherd AGREED. NATIONALISM, ARISTOCRACY AND PIETY POTENTIATE ONE ANOTHER.

@fallot GODS ARE SPECIFIC TO PEOPLES

Right from day to day life, down to civilizations

EVEN INTERPRETATIONS OF GODS

Sure

I'm not saying anything has to exist for this

AND SO, THE TWO COEXIST

HERE IS A THOUGHT:

IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE IDEA TO TURN GOD INTO AN IDEOLOGY

DO YOU SEE WHERE I AM GOING WITH THAT, @fallot ?

I do, I don't agree I think

GOD AS AN IDEOLOGY WILL CORRUPT OUR NOTION OF GOD

ONE NEED ONLY LOOK AT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

The catholic church is corrupt due to distance from god

all else is secondary

@fallot The Elite, that is, the ruling power of any sovereign state is the one which so to speak "gifts" or "blesses" it's subject with pretty much anything, sacred religion and sacred concept of nation, of Patria included

That's retarded though, normal people don't think like that

That isn't the reality of faith

Modern peple don't think like that

Diversity, what race are you anyway?

They don't either, sure, which is a problem

The bearers of modern sovereignity are masses

he was born a poor black boy

Take Achemenid Empire for example

The ruler can be the intermediary of the divine

There was nothing considered worthy there in itself which did not stem from Emperor himself

or a manifestation of the divine

Even the Persian nationalism did not exist without Persian Emperor and was immanent to him

Religion is a phenomenon as human as language

in our bones

That's where you have to start

All other relations must be understood in light of that

There is good evidence that religion itself led to human society in the first place

Brahmanic "patriotism" was par excellence the spirituality of racial quality

I'd say that both religion and society are pretty much one and the same manifestations that are expressions of a higher order

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Yeah, sure

If what you say that "piousness " is in our bones, then i disagree

But religion in general, then yes, it is

hey @diversity_is_racism this website seems like culture war issues