Message from @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻
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Meh. Maybe. I just think theorizing leads to impression and impression leads to expression and that this could at least make for new creation. Some will be good, some will not.
It's almost always the other way around and that's as true of music as it is of broader cultural trends. They always start out more visceral, irrational and maybe a bit simplistic and end up abstract, rational, ornate.
But
The key here
Is that the second "phase" is derived from the first
Look what people did in response to death metal? They went primitive as hell with black metal
What happened in rock after prog
punk came out
Where does this visceral quality come from? One of those things that can't be known?
immediate experience
Therefore, the emotions that these experiences make? A reflection of these experiences?
it's more than emotion isn't it
Could we have the flairs from /r/askaconservative/ on /r/new_right plus a few additional ones e.g NRX TRP MRA MGTOW DE etc?
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ Sure. But emotion and intellect are the core of art. The desire to create and to reflect on nature or even their own ideas.
@redpillavatar in art? Or on the chat?
on Reddit
Nah the intellect is responsible for abstract concepts
An important feature of early artistic movements is that those who were around routinely attest to "not knowing what to call it, in those days"
So they lack anything grounded in abstract concepts like "black metal" or "punk"
Ergo, not intellectual
The intuition more than the intellect. The intuition makes for a great modelling mechanism and internal impressions.
Arguably if something is direct/immediate, there is little use in creating a model of it
That is true. It is right there to be reflected on.
@redpillavatar Have all of those reddits been banned? Maybe a replacement will crop up then if anybody wants to bother.
Impressions don't come from theorizing; in order to be called an impression, it must come from very little effort.
Forgot to address that
If you're saying that art comes from impressions, then I will take this in support of my position
cheers
An impression can come from anything. It can even come from inside of your own head. Just because it can lead to expression in art does not mean that it is correct.
it can't come from theorizing since a theory results from conscious thought
Thought can lead to an impression on the nature of a subject.
well then you mean something else by the word impression
Correct. I don't mean just that an external thing impresses on another, I mean an idea. Really, not even necessarily an idea. It can be a feeling about something, an unformed thought in the back of the head. A theme on the form and nature of a subject. The human being does this all of the time. In response to the external as well as the internal.
Fuck the universe!
Tom of Finland had a similar thought.
how do you get an unformed thought out of engaging with formed thoughts and evidence ?
People do it all the time. Haven't you ever struggled with wrapping your head around something?
ostensibly, a theory is about something and results from conscious effort put into thinking about that something. You're telling me that by engaging with the thinking about something that we can get an idea about that something that's unrelated to the thinking?
Or not have a complete idea. Not have a complete impression. Not have a full conceptualization. An incomplete thought. A train of thinking that doesn't go anywhere and doesn't complete. An incomplete conclusion. The very process is muddled and vague. Or even, there is a conclusion in there. There is a knee jerk reaction and it goes without understanding, without verbalization.
Might I also note that you are the one who associates abstraction with intellectual thought.
because it's the fact of the matter