Hence the perturbation

Being the clash of intentions

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ They can at least understand what good music is. That is a skill in and of itself apparently. With the collapse of a medium because all has been said, the beauty of music is that you don't need words (such as the electronica you keep coming by, which I also like) so sure, the words have been said but has the sound been made? Maybe, maybe not. When there is this impression you want to express, it encourages creativity. Maybe it will be nothing new save for the order or how long ago it was done? Maybe it will be completely new. One's inner model leads to creativity.

I disagree that there is anything to understand about "good" music.

Since what we experience is aesthetic

I think you underestimate the degree to which your inner model is dependent upon the cultural model you were born into

Meh. Maybe. I just think theorizing leads to impression and impression leads to expression and that this could at least make for new creation. Some will be good, some will not.

It's almost always the other way around and that's as true of music as it is of broader cultural trends. They always start out more visceral, irrational and maybe a bit simplistic and end up abstract, rational, ornate.

But

The key here

Is that the second "phase" is derived from the first

Look what people did in response to death metal? They went primitive as hell with black metal

What happened in rock after prog

punk came out

Where does this visceral quality come from? One of those things that can't be known?

immediate experience

Therefore, the emotions that these experiences make? A reflection of these experiences?

it's more than emotion isn't it

Could we have the flairs from /r/askaconservative/ on /r/new_right plus a few additional ones e.g NRX TRP MRA MGTOW DE etc?

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ Sure. But emotion and intellect are the core of art. The desire to create and to reflect on nature or even their own ideas.

@redpillavatar in art? Or on the chat?

on Reddit

Nah the intellect is responsible for abstract concepts

An important feature of early artistic movements is that those who were around routinely attest to "not knowing what to call it, in those days"

So they lack anything grounded in abstract concepts like "black metal" or "punk"

Ergo, not intellectual

The intuition more than the intellect. The intuition makes for a great modelling mechanism and internal impressions.

The intuition isn't a modeler

Arguably if something is direct/immediate, there is little use in creating a model of it

That is true. It is right there to be reflected on.

@redpillavatar Have all of those reddits been banned? Maybe a replacement will crop up then if anybody wants to bother.

Impressions don't come from theorizing; in order to be called an impression, it must come from very little effort.

Forgot to address that

If you're saying that art comes from impressions, then I will take this in support of my position

cheers

An impression can come from anything. It can even come from inside of your own head. Just because it can lead to expression in art does not mean that it is correct.

it can't come from theorizing since a theory results from conscious thought

Thought can lead to an impression on the nature of a subject.

well then you mean something else by the word impression

Correct. I don't mean just that an external thing impresses on another, I mean an idea. Really, not even necessarily an idea. It can be a feeling about something, an unformed thought in the back of the head. A theme on the form and nature of a subject. The human being does this all of the time. In response to the external as well as the internal.

Fuck the universe!

Tom of Finland had a similar thought.