An important feature of early artistic movements is that those who were around routinely attest to "not knowing what to call it, in those days"

So they lack anything grounded in abstract concepts like "black metal" or "punk"

Ergo, not intellectual

The intuition more than the intellect. The intuition makes for a great modelling mechanism and internal impressions.

The intuition isn't a modeler

Arguably if something is direct/immediate, there is little use in creating a model of it

That is true. It is right there to be reflected on.

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Impressions don't come from theorizing; in order to be called an impression, it must come from very little effort.

Forgot to address that

If you're saying that art comes from impressions, then I will take this in support of my position

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An impression can come from anything. It can even come from inside of your own head. Just because it can lead to expression in art does not mean that it is correct.

it can't come from theorizing since a theory results from conscious thought

Thought can lead to an impression on the nature of a subject.

well then you mean something else by the word impression

Correct. I don't mean just that an external thing impresses on another, I mean an idea. Really, not even necessarily an idea. It can be a feeling about something, an unformed thought in the back of the head. A theme on the form and nature of a subject. The human being does this all of the time. In response to the external as well as the internal.

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Tom of Finland had a similar thought.

how do you get an unformed thought out of engaging with formed thoughts and evidence ?

People do it all the time. Haven't you ever struggled with wrapping your head around something?

ostensibly, a theory is about something and results from conscious effort put into thinking about that something. You're telling me that by engaging with the thinking about something that we can get an idea about that something that's unrelated to the thinking?

Or not have a complete idea. Not have a complete impression. Not have a full conceptualization. An incomplete thought. A train of thinking that doesn't go anywhere and doesn't complete. An incomplete conclusion. The very process is muddled and vague. Or even, there is a conclusion in there. There is a knee jerk reaction and it goes without understanding, without verbalization.

Might I also note that you are the one who associates abstraction with intellectual thought.

because it's the fact of the matter

The point of an impression is that it's not a struggle to comprehend.

An impression can arise from a struggle to comprehend.

Dude it's in the definition

A strong effect produced on the intellect, emotions and conscience. That does not mean that when one is in thought, or when one is struggling to understand something, that the thinking itself does not lead to the same effects.

You said first you meant impression as an idea, albeit incomplete, unformed, etc. But just now you reference impression as an affect.

the context is shifting around

I'm stupid but not that stupid

A thought from a thought from a thought from a thought. Kind of like an echo, within an echo, within an echo. Spectra within spectra. Or maybe I just wasn't clear about the the specificity of how I used the word?

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