Message from @fallot

Discord ID: 284744571056029696


2017-02-24 17:50:21 UTC  

the world is obviously rational

2017-02-24 17:50:28 UTC  

It's that that degree of separation from one's natural needs and fulfillments outlines the problem.

2017-02-24 17:50:31 UTC  

that you can understand the world

2017-02-24 17:50:33 UTC  

means it is rational

2017-02-24 17:50:39 UTC  

representations we work with are rational

2017-02-24 17:50:44 UTC  

And so the problem is more apparent in cubicles.

2017-02-24 17:50:46 UTC  

maybe you mean "sensible by human measures"

2017-02-24 17:51:06 UTC  

the world is intelligible, rational, why is it not?

2017-02-24 17:51:41 UTC  

if the representations we work with apply, that implies something

2017-02-24 17:51:46 UTC  

rather, the representations are a higher level of reality

2017-02-24 17:51:52 UTC  

what you call representations are not merely thought forms

2017-02-24 17:52:20 UTC  

but the metaphysical level of reality, whose perception is subjective

2017-02-24 17:52:38 UTC  

The world is indeed rational. We've had a pretty good track record of explaining most things we've encountered.

2017-02-24 17:52:39 UTC  

but then even sight is to some degree subjective, not a big deal

2017-02-24 17:52:52 UTC  

an irrational, chaotic world, we cannot even comprehend it

2017-02-24 17:52:55 UTC  

those explanations always collapse

2017-02-24 17:52:55 UTC  

that we can COMPREHEND AT ALL

2017-02-24 17:52:58 UTC  

means the world is rational

2017-02-24 17:52:59 UTC  

Spectacularly

2017-02-24 17:53:13 UTC  

it is obvious existence is order

2017-02-24 17:53:16 UTC  

rather than disorder

2017-02-24 17:53:27 UTC  

any disorder is simply in the context of a higher order

2017-02-24 17:53:30 UTC  

there is one reality

2017-02-24 17:53:35 UTC  

Even were those explanations not ultimate explanations, the mere fact of them being at all explainable hints at something.

2017-02-24 17:53:42 UTC  

as it is order, it is intelligible

2017-02-24 17:54:02 UTC  

The obvious existence is a conflict of urging. The only reason you perceive anything is when it impedes your will.

2017-02-24 17:54:17 UTC  

don't understand what that means

2017-02-24 17:55:01 UTC  

an irrational reality is inconceivable

2017-02-24 17:55:11 UTC  

for me at least

2017-02-24 17:55:23 UTC  

causation itself is rational.

2017-02-24 17:57:37 UTC  

for the world to be rational, the structure of thought has to be the structure of the universe.

2017-02-24 17:57:44 UTC  

that's obviously not true

2017-02-24 17:58:07 UTC  

The presentation of a coffee cup you experience is emphatically not what's out there

2017-02-24 18:01:52 UTC  

The intelligibility of our perceptions of a layer accessible to us of what unbeknowst to us is a multilayered universe would mean an incomplete understanding but not a baseless one.

2017-02-24 18:02:23 UTC  

hey

2017-02-24 18:02:25 UTC  

you know what guys

2017-02-24 18:02:27 UTC  

i just realized

2017-02-24 18:02:30 UTC  

we're a bunch of fucking geeks

2017-02-24 18:02:43 UTC  

you see it as solid, you can reach for it, pick it up but you're not seeing it for what it is. Out there is just an inconceivable matrix of probability feilds and ripples.

2017-02-24 18:03:19 UTC  

Fuck yeah