Message from @fallot

Discord ID: 288654101728854026


2017-03-07 12:45:02 UTC  

sure, that's how they all work

2017-03-07 12:45:14 UTC  

the working class aspires to the middle class, the middle class aspires to the top

2017-03-07 12:45:26 UTC  

they usually stumble through the act, embarass themselves, but still "succeed" due to their eagerness to conform

2017-03-07 12:45:29 UTC  

the middle class can mobilize the working class against elites

2017-03-07 12:45:31 UTC  

for this purpose

2017-03-07 12:45:44 UTC  

and popular revolutions nowadays are usually in that vein, e.g. marxism

2017-03-07 12:45:53 UTC  

which is mobilization of the working class via the biggest middle class weapon

2017-03-07 12:45:54 UTC  

ideas

2017-03-07 12:45:56 UTC  

correct, but the top, in a sense of a spiritual right of passage, doesn't exist

2017-03-07 12:46:08 UTC  

it's been rejected, but I dont think it can ever be destroyed

2017-03-07 12:46:12 UTC  

it's middle class people, with completely unchanged worldview, with more money and social power

2017-03-07 12:46:17 UTC  

consider this

2017-03-07 12:46:17 UTC  

yeah, pretty much

2017-03-07 12:46:29 UTC  

the middle class rule

2017-03-07 12:46:36 UTC  

elite today gathers in Masonic lodges, which are epitomical middle-class brotherhoods

2017-03-07 12:47:02 UTC  

the "elite" nowadays are in a sense

2017-03-07 12:47:05 UTC  

middle class meritocracy

2017-03-07 12:47:11 UTC  

get big, get rich, and you are in

2017-03-07 12:48:05 UTC  

there is another, occult element here I believe

2017-03-07 12:48:09 UTC  

a hidden hand

2017-03-07 12:48:20 UTC  

but I guess that's not relevant to this particular exchange

2017-03-07 12:50:08 UTC  

obviously, middle class, just as every group there is on the planet, must operate using the same logic, that is, making an interest group within and denying resources or power to the outsiders

2017-03-07 12:50:38 UTC  

I dont think that is a valuable way of understanding the middle class, human connection is much lower level than this

2017-03-07 12:50:40 UTC  

but because society is perfectly levelled, is why we have this radical dystopia - the elite, or 1%

2017-03-07 12:50:42 UTC  

and the rest

2017-03-07 12:50:58 UTC  

the undifferentiated mass of people who have no power, and above all, no control

2017-03-07 12:51:14 UTC  

that much I agree with

2017-03-07 12:51:37 UTC  

the true nihilistic meritocracy

2017-03-07 12:52:06 UTC  

so the reason soviet union failed, and progressivism persisted

2017-03-07 12:52:25 UTC  

is because making everyone a worker ceased being such a feasible option

2017-03-07 12:52:29 UTC  

self chosen rather than top down damnation

2017-03-07 12:52:39 UTC  

instead, a middle class alternative won, which attempts to make everyone a citizen

2017-03-07 12:52:47 UTC  

a consumer, sure

2017-03-07 12:52:51 UTC  

Christianity is good for the middle class

2017-03-07 12:53:01 UTC  

and good full stop

2017-03-07 12:53:14 UTC  

No

2017-03-07 12:53:21 UTC  

one needs to separate certain religious behaviour from the truth of a certain faith

2017-03-07 12:53:33 UTC  

Christianity today sources both its clerics and it's flock from two classes of people

2017-03-07 12:53:33 UTC  

though ends are still a good barometer

2017-03-07 12:53:46 UTC  

Working class people aspiring to be middle class people

2017-03-07 12:53:52 UTC  

It's good in regard that it keeps value, culture and tradition going