Message from @fallot

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2017-03-07 12:39:06 UTC  

or more precisely, mediocre

2017-03-07 12:39:45 UTC  

"the class" today is hardly measured, in the sense we are speaking of, by net worth

2017-03-07 12:40:02 UTC  

sure, net worth is indicator of higher social status, but not necessarily class in traditional sense

2017-03-07 12:40:15 UTC  

since people who rule today are middle class people par excellence

2017-03-07 12:40:27 UTC  

it's their spiritual background and their upbringing

2017-03-07 12:41:33 UTC  

everything today is concieved in middle class environment, and drifting away from it demands a certain "leap of faith'

2017-03-07 12:43:06 UTC  

quite right

2017-03-07 12:43:20 UTC  

most of the people who you refer to as an example of "elevated" middle class people, are in fact people who had experience at one moment or another, a sudden and unexpected illumination of a sort

2017-03-07 12:43:35 UTC  

after which they couldn't take middle class society seriously, without bursting into laughter

2017-03-07 12:43:49 UTC  

I don't mean middle class as a mentality

2017-03-07 12:44:01 UTC  

there is the working class, the elites/rulers/nobles/theocrats

2017-03-07 12:44:04 UTC  

and everything in between

2017-03-07 12:44:22 UTC  

the in betweeners are the engine of nearly all innovation

2017-03-07 12:44:31 UTC  

mentalities change

2017-03-07 12:44:38 UTC  

what we pejoratively call "middle class" was not always so

2017-03-07 12:44:45 UTC  

though this in between caste was

2017-03-07 12:44:53 UTC  

working class people today are a demographic who most staunchly atempts to emulate middle class life and norms

2017-03-07 12:45:02 UTC  

sure, that's how they all work

2017-03-07 12:45:14 UTC  

the working class aspires to the middle class, the middle class aspires to the top

2017-03-07 12:45:26 UTC  

they usually stumble through the act, embarass themselves, but still "succeed" due to their eagerness to conform

2017-03-07 12:45:29 UTC  

the middle class can mobilize the working class against elites

2017-03-07 12:45:31 UTC  

for this purpose

2017-03-07 12:45:44 UTC  

and popular revolutions nowadays are usually in that vein, e.g. marxism

2017-03-07 12:45:53 UTC  

which is mobilization of the working class via the biggest middle class weapon

2017-03-07 12:45:54 UTC  

ideas

2017-03-07 12:45:56 UTC  

correct, but the top, in a sense of a spiritual right of passage, doesn't exist

2017-03-07 12:46:08 UTC  

it's been rejected, but I dont think it can ever be destroyed

2017-03-07 12:46:12 UTC  

it's middle class people, with completely unchanged worldview, with more money and social power

2017-03-07 12:46:17 UTC  

consider this

2017-03-07 12:46:17 UTC  

yeah, pretty much

2017-03-07 12:46:29 UTC  

the middle class rule

2017-03-07 12:46:36 UTC  

elite today gathers in Masonic lodges, which are epitomical middle-class brotherhoods

2017-03-07 12:47:02 UTC  

the "elite" nowadays are in a sense

2017-03-07 12:47:05 UTC  

middle class meritocracy

2017-03-07 12:47:11 UTC  

get big, get rich, and you are in

2017-03-07 12:48:05 UTC  

there is another, occult element here I believe

2017-03-07 12:48:09 UTC  

a hidden hand

2017-03-07 12:48:20 UTC  

but I guess that's not relevant to this particular exchange

2017-03-07 12:50:08 UTC  

obviously, middle class, just as every group there is on the planet, must operate using the same logic, that is, making an interest group within and denying resources or power to the outsiders

2017-03-07 12:50:38 UTC  

I dont think that is a valuable way of understanding the middle class, human connection is much lower level than this

2017-03-07 12:50:40 UTC  

but because society is perfectly levelled, is why we have this radical dystopia - the elite, or 1%