it makes sense to me that it is symbol, of some higher form

the Symbol is refracted via the lens of individual understanding/appreciation

it's just an upside down version of what you are saying I think

as reality is conscious, and a person, it makes sense that some kind of ultimate thought forms precede "concrete" reality

I like to use the word symbol for this concept due to its completeness

http://www.openculture.com/2013/10/what-ancient-greek-music-sounded-like.html

HMM. I DO NOT SEE FORM AND SYMBOL AS THE SAME.

SYMBOL IS A MEASUREMENT OF FORM.

FORM HAS SHAPE AND STRUCTURE

BOTH ARE IDEA, BUT THE SYMBOL IS A REPRESENTATION (OF A... OF A...)

When we assume the "information" is primary, then symbol encompasses the "form" concept I think

it's really interesting to think this way as well

a lot of things become much clearer

I gave the example of musical communication

the root issue is the relationship of my consciousness with reality

I rejected the picture you seem to present, when people are deluded it is because they create false selves

rather than an issue of information, understanding etc. (though those can also be elements)

so the more one is in touch with their true self, the more access they have to reality, the better their basic responses to stimulus

everyone should be capable of e.g. enjoying a certain melody to its greatest possible extent and being disgusted by faggotry

in theory

back to work

Good morning fallot

Happy Friday @everyone

fucking white man and his happy job

where is your guilt

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WHERE IS YOUR GUILT WHITE OPPRESSOR

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35k and 401k what about the 35 slave ships transferring my brothers to do your work for 401 years

35k?

Is that what you make?

no that's what you STEAL from the black man, devil

I make like 25k tho after taxes which ain't too bad if you don't mind my gloat

@fallot I WOULD ARGUE THE OTHER WAY AROUND: FORM INCLUDES SYMBOL

OTHERWISE IS PRO-HUMAN BIAS

AND ALSO, NOT DESCRIPTIVE

@vry_o WITH IRISH AND SLAVIC SLAVES, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO START A NEW ECONOMY

we just don't call it slavery because we have little pocket computers and can eat burg

@diversity_is_racism when are you going to have us all on a podcast so we can totally ruin it by having a full blown argument over the esoteric qualities of la bouche - sweet dreams

you can be the alt right Howard Stern

@devolved can be Robyn because I always suspected he wants to secretly be a busty black woman