Message from @fallot
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the former is powerful, but the latter is insidious
even just watching advertisements in the UK, the assault is alienating
muting television, just watching the images avoids that light trance state induced by television watching
and makes the assault much more palpable
I always recommend people try it, mute TV and watch ads
AGREED ON THE SEXUALITY OF IMAGES
WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "THE SYMBOL IS THE REALITY"?
PEOPLE ACT BY INSTINCT
WHICH IS HARD-WIRED
AND LINKED TO DISGUST/FEAR
OPEN SEXUALITY = PROMISCUITY = LOW STANDARDS
sort of platonism I guess
IS THAT SYMBOL OR INFORMATION?
HUMANS MEASURE INFORMATION THROUGH SYMBOLS
HOWEVER
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THOSE ARE ITS FORM
?
the symbol would be the form, the thing in itself, the real deal, information is a measurement or an attempt to communicate symbol
for example what is the true essence of a melody, the ineffable thing
it makes sense to me that it is symbol, of some higher form
it's just an upside down version of what you are saying I think
as reality is conscious, and a person, it makes sense that some kind of ultimate thought forms precede "concrete" reality
I like to use the word symbol for this concept due to its completeness
HMM. I DO NOT SEE FORM AND SYMBOL AS THE SAME.
SYMBOL IS A MEASUREMENT OF FORM.
FORM HAS SHAPE AND STRUCTURE
BOTH ARE IDEA, BUT THE SYMBOL IS A REPRESENTATION (OF A... OF A...)
When we assume the "information" is primary, then symbol encompasses the "form" concept I think
it's really interesting to think this way as well
a lot of things become much clearer
I gave the example of musical communication
the root issue is the relationship of my consciousness with reality
I rejected the picture you seem to present, when people are deluded it is because they create false selves
rather than an issue of information, understanding etc. (though those can also be elements)
so the more one is in touch with their true self, the more access they have to reality, the better their basic responses to stimulus
everyone should be capable of e.g. enjoying a certain melody to its greatest possible extent and being disgusted by faggotry
in theory
back to work
Good morning fallot