Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd
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valor, bravery, intelligence, etc
In most aristocratic societies, the elites were extremely suspicio of presence of such qualities among low castes
Because statistically, they were usually right
which is why the idea of aristocracy just drives the current masses mad with rage.
Not necessarily
I may have made too large a claim. Many are driven mad, not all.
Consider Roman Republic. It's borders were essentially the city of Rome. It was easy for a slave to escape to his freedom
But few chose to do so
People aren't at war all the time
Because the relative safety and comfort of the life of servitued in a house of a Roman noble man was in many ways his comfort zone
It seems to be a natural virtue in some to admire and want to emulate superiors, rather than trash them. This virtue has been undermined today, but is not absent totally.
valor and bravery are synonymous
Feudal peasants who fight for their barons were plenty brave
Intelligence is left
Most of the slave rebellions in Roman era were started by slave who worked in agriculture, since their life was harder
So they display bravery
For many peasants, to leave their lands and actually go to war was a privillege already great enough
Again, not because things "should be that way' but because that was the reality of those times
it was part of verbal contacts
All of the land was divided among knights and noble men, and nowhere could you just "travel" and go just like that
So if I'm understanding you, what is important is hierarchy and its arrangement according to intelligence?
The important thing to understand today is that we cannot possibly achieve something like that
Since there are no essential values today from which to begin, no reference points
feudalism of Europe came about well after a market system with different values than those needed for feudalism to work
We can theoretically only imagine some sort of a new fall of current civilization to imagine a new sort of order arising in it's place, but such scenarios are largely today thought to be apocalyptic
I'm sorry I didn't realize you weren't talking to me
nevermind then
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ NRx is at the same time right and wrong. Their diagnosis is good, their suggested cure won't work
People cannot establish an order today that isn't based on the values that are *real* today
*Realistically* economic performance is what matters today. If for example we switched current system for some sort of let's say, statism, like Fascism for example
The greatest value would be loyalty to the state
Which is again, certainly better value than economic performance
But that value would condition everything else
why is it better
Let's say you wanted to create some sort of a 5 year plan, or some project to allocate resource
You would allocate them according to personal loyalty to the state, not merit
Or I guess why is loyalty to the state the most important thing
No, i dont think one-party state is the perfect solution, far from it
it's just better than plutocracy
whatever the state is