Message from @Jake Saga

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2017-03-10 16:37:51 UTC  

The elites understand that there is an order in nature that simply "is"

2017-03-10 16:37:57 UTC  

Not should be

2017-03-10 16:38:13 UTC  

The conviction that hierarchy of things must exist

2017-03-10 16:38:25 UTC  

That superior things have to be really superior, and inferior really inferior

2017-03-10 16:38:30 UTC  

And that it is their natural order

2017-03-10 16:38:52 UTC  

Aristocratic forms of government are established in obediance of this sacred principle

2017-03-10 16:39:27 UTC  

So what matters is hierarchy

2017-03-10 16:39:29 UTC  

?

2017-03-10 16:39:42 UTC  

Economy, as merely a form of exchange, therefore is absolutely subjected to *qualitative* relationis, which are personal

2017-03-10 16:40:25 UTC  

Economy as a quantitative form of exhange, therefore cannot supress and replace a qualitative organization, which is abstractly and theoretically, the state itself

2017-03-10 16:40:42 UTC  

Aristocratic state is nothing else but it's elite and of course, the religion

2017-03-10 16:41:00 UTC  

Aristocratic state is therefore this *quality* itself

2017-03-10 16:41:16 UTC  

What makes something superior to something else rather than, say, different

2017-03-10 16:41:17 UTC  

"we the people" is just a bushwacking drivel

2017-03-10 16:43:10 UTC  

Quite frankly spoken, the superior in terms of these castes, is essentially a personal quality

2017-03-10 16:43:21 UTC  

valor, bravery, intelligence, etc

2017-03-10 16:43:57 UTC  

In most aristocratic societies, the elites were extremely suspicio of presence of such qualities among low castes

2017-03-10 16:44:08 UTC  

Because statistically, they were usually right

2017-03-10 16:44:18 UTC  

which is why the idea of aristocracy just drives the current masses mad with rage.

2017-03-10 16:44:28 UTC  

Not necessarily

2017-03-10 16:44:47 UTC  

I may have made too large a claim. Many are driven mad, not all.

2017-03-10 16:44:54 UTC  

Consider Roman Republic. It's borders were essentially the city of Rome. It was easy for a slave to escape to his freedom

2017-03-10 16:44:59 UTC  

But few chose to do so

2017-03-10 16:45:29 UTC  

People aren't at war all the time

2017-03-10 16:45:39 UTC  

Because the relative safety and comfort of the life of servitued in a house of a Roman noble man was in many ways his comfort zone

2017-03-10 16:45:41 UTC  

It seems to be a natural virtue in some to admire and want to emulate superiors, rather than trash them. This virtue has been undermined today, but is not absent totally.

2017-03-10 16:45:44 UTC  

valor and bravery are synonymous

2017-03-10 16:46:06 UTC  

Feudal peasants who fight for their barons were plenty brave

2017-03-10 16:46:18 UTC  

Intelligence is left

2017-03-10 16:46:20 UTC  

Most of the slave rebellions in Roman era were started by slave who worked in agriculture, since their life was harder

2017-03-10 16:46:34 UTC  

So they display bravery

2017-03-10 16:47:09 UTC  

For many peasants, to leave their lands and actually go to war was a privillege already great enough

2017-03-10 16:47:36 UTC  

Again, not because things "should be that way' but because that was the reality of those times

2017-03-10 16:47:50 UTC  

it was part of verbal contacts

2017-03-10 16:48:00 UTC  

All of the land was divided among knights and noble men, and nowhere could you just "travel" and go just like that

2017-03-10 16:48:25 UTC  

Everyone had his purpose specifically designed for him since the day he was born

2017-03-10 16:48:37 UTC  

So if I'm understanding you, what is important is hierarchy and its arrangement according to intelligence?

2017-03-10 16:49:23 UTC  

The important thing to understand today is that we cannot possibly achieve something like that

2017-03-10 16:49:37 UTC  

Since there are no essential values today from which to begin, no reference points

2017-03-10 16:50:24 UTC  

feudalism of Europe came about well after a market system with different values than those needed for feudalism to work

2017-03-10 16:50:46 UTC  

We can theoretically only imagine some sort of a new fall of current civilization to imagine a new sort of order arising in it's place, but such scenarios are largely today thought to be apocalyptic