Message from @fallot

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2017-04-20 12:27:16 UTC  

-Jung

2017-04-20 12:27:17 UTC  

THIS CONCEPT IS NOT CONSISTENT TO ME

2017-04-20 12:27:27 UTC  

the word encoded is a best-fit

2017-04-20 12:27:37 UTC  

WHAT HE CALLS SYMBOL IS MORE ACCURATE METAPHOR

2017-04-20 12:27:39 UTC  

OR KENNING

2017-04-20 12:27:46 UTC  

dunno what a kenning is

2017-04-20 12:27:59 UTC  

IS CONSCIOUSNESS FUNDAMENTALLY METAPHORICAL? IT WORKS BY COMPARISON

2017-04-20 12:28:08 UTC  

I think at the base level

2017-04-20 12:28:14 UTC  

consciousness is yes, fundamentally "metaphorical"

2017-04-20 12:28:15 UTC  

KENNING = THE USE OF REPEATED TROPES, LIKE "THE WINE-DARK SEA," TO EXPRESS CONTINUITY OF MEANING IN A WORK

2017-04-20 12:28:21 UTC  

i.e. as dreams

2017-04-20 12:28:27 UTC  

YES, I CAN AGREE WITH THAT

2017-04-20 12:28:30 UTC  

BUT INTUITION IS NOT SOLELY THAT

2017-04-20 12:28:33 UTC  

IT IS ALSO DIRECTION

2017-04-20 12:28:46 UTC  

AND SENSATION WHICH IS INDEFINED BECAUSE IT IS AT A LEVEL LOWER THAN CONSCIOUSNESS

2017-04-20 12:28:48 UTC  

sure, but nevertheless, it would derive from that realm

2017-04-20 12:28:57 UTC  

MORE LIKELY THE OTHER WAY AROUND

2017-04-20 12:28:59 UTC  

intuition would sniff out the truth or deeper meaning in metaphor

2017-04-20 12:29:02 UTC  

METAPHOR DERIVES FROM INTUITION

2017-04-20 12:29:15 UTC  

INTUITION IS THAT THERE IS ORDER, WHICH MEANS REPEATED STRUCTURES, AND THEREFORE METAPHOR WOULD WORK

2017-04-20 12:29:19 UTC  

there would be metaphor as understood, but there would be an ur-metaphorical source I think

2017-04-20 12:29:20 UTC  

AND SO WE RELY ON IT AS EXPRESSION

2017-04-20 12:29:21 UTC  

again, Jung

2017-04-20 12:29:44 UTC  

in the above, what Jung calls "primordial images"

2017-04-20 12:29:49 UTC  

UR-METAPHORICAL = THE INTUITIVE CONCEPT OF ORDER, I WOULD THINK

2017-04-20 12:30:01 UTC  

"ARCHETYPES" IS AN ESOTERIC CONCEPT

2017-04-20 12:30:04 UTC  

THINK OF IT THIS WAY

2017-04-20 12:30:09 UTC  

THIS IS METAPHOR AT ITS PUREST

2017-04-20 12:30:12 UTC  

this is an esoteric discussion anyway

2017-04-20 12:30:16 UTC  

THERE IS A STRUCTURE WHICH APPEARS IN MANY PLACES

2017-04-20 12:30:16 UTC  

go on

2017-04-20 12:30:26 UTC  

THEREFORE, IT MUST BE KNOWN BY ITS SIMPLEST DISTINCT EXPRESSION

2017-04-20 12:30:30 UTC  

AND ALL OTHERS ARE VARIANTS OF THAT

2017-04-20 12:30:35 UTC  

THIS IS HOW LANGUAGE WORKS AS WELL

2017-04-20 12:30:40 UTC  

you say "must be known by"

2017-04-20 12:30:43 UTC  

why not instead

2017-04-20 12:30:48 UTC  

there is a structure which appears in many places

2017-04-20 12:30:51 UTC  

therefore it must derive from

2017-04-20 12:31:14 UTC  

yes of course, all communication would work thusly

2017-04-20 12:32:03 UTC  

I guess it is all about priors

2017-04-20 12:32:21 UTC  

but thanks for your input