Message from @fallot
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no certainly
IT SEEMS TO BE VERY PHYSICAL
you need brains
HOWEVER
THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT CONSCIOUSNESS ITSELF DOES NOT HAVE PROPERTIES BEYOND THE PHYSICAL
MUCH AS INFORMATION AND COMPUTATION ARE CONTAINED WITHIN MICROCHIPS AND WIRES, YET HAVE BROADER IMPLICATIONS
what I am referring to specifically is "imagination" "inspiration" "intuition"
"the spiritual"
AND TRANSCEND THEIR MATERIAL ORIGINS
"the heart"
DEFINITELY
INTUITION IS SOMETHING ELSE
alright, but keeping that aside
IT MAY BE BIOLOGICALLY ENCODED, BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHEN THE BRAIN ACTS AS ANTENNA NOT COMPUTER
whatever that realm is, would you agree that it is the realm of symbols?
NOT NECESSARILY SYMBOLS
the essence or true nature or primary information kernel or whatever you want to call it of symbol
INTUITION FOR EXAMPLE IS NOT SYMBOLIC
I disagree
NOR IS THE SUBCONSCIOUS
but keeping that aside
HOW ARE YOU USING THE TERM "SYMBOLIC" HERE?
symbolic: visually encoded truth/information carrier
symbol = the external and the inner vision associated
both
so what the symbol is explicitly and what it implies
would both be the symbol, else it's just a pictogram or something
or a word
I mean I'm not out to convince you of what is prior and what is not, but I just wanted to clarify
that this is where I was coming from with that
VISUALLY ENCODED TRUTH
And the essential thing, psychologically, is that in dreams, fantasies, and other exceptional states of mind the most far-fetched mythological motifs and symbols can appear autochthonously at any time, often, apparently, as the result of particular influences, traditions, and excitations working on the individual, but more often without any sign of them. These "primordial images" or "archetypes," as I have called them, belong to the basic stock of the unconscious psyche and cannot be explained as personal acquisitions. Together they make up that psychic stratum which has been called the collective unconscious.
The existence of the collective unconscious means that individual consciousness is anything but a tabula rasa and is not immune to predetermining influences. On the contrary, it is in the highest degree influenced by inherited presuppositions, quite apart from the unavoidable influences exerted upon it by the environment. The collective unconscious comprises in itself the psychic life of our ancestors right back to the earliest beginnings. It is the matrix of all conscious psychic occurrences, and hence it exerts an influence that compromises the freedom of consciousness in the highest degree, since it is continually striving to lead all conscious processes back into the old paths
-Jung
THIS CONCEPT IS NOT CONSISTENT TO ME
the word encoded is a best-fit
WHAT HE CALLS SYMBOL IS MORE ACCURATE METAPHOR
OR KENNING
dunno what a kenning is
IS CONSCIOUSNESS FUNDAMENTALLY METAPHORICAL? IT WORKS BY COMPARISON
I think at the base level