Message from @Hagel
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2. It was initiatic
Economics must be secondary to other goals
if necessary, I would be prepared to do stuff that is called "socialist"
Jannisaries had families
3. It was focused towards spiritual progression of warrior type, that is, detached
It depends.
@Death Strike's Bat When they served armed forces, mostly not, they were young boys with no contact with theri real families or backgrounds
Do you support fascist economics?
full gay mystical nazi
And eventually became herisitery state pensions for urban homos
They weren't young.
Planning capitalism and socialism based on each case
fascist economics tend to be pragmatic
Most were teenagers.
they married later sure, but in their service basically they lived the "mannerbund" life
yeah, like that
And most went back.
if by fascist economics there is a particular rigid system meant
then no
To their home area
I mean I'm not against it?
btw, distinguish early janissaries, basically kidnapped non-muslim boys, and the later order
Early jannisserirs is not kidnapping
All must serve the ingroup, the nation, the whatever
More forced conscription
And technically a slave of the sultan
no, they were kidnapped from non-muslim families
what is called capitalism nowadays is mostly just usury out of control
As you went back.
creating value out of nothing
And were wealthier for it.
yeah, they often did go back
The problem was the jannisseries sucked as a fighting force.
eventually they did
They were better as local administratators
However, my initial point is, Islam is nothing but a problem today, and is an umbrella worldview for those who want to conquer this material world and subject it to their whims and evade all punishmet
As they didn't perform well as ncos or crack troops.
Well they were okay for a bit as heavy infantry
Until the line infantry showed up in the 1600s