Both Christianity and Islam HAD traditionalist schools, however, these existed IN SPITE OF their non-traditional teachings, not thanks to

they were literally underground movements

what are you referring to

with traditionalist

Sufism, Bektashism, etc

Bektashism is heretical, it isn't Islam

That stuff isnt underground but describes religious practices.

In Christianity it's more difficult to distinguish, but basically look at gnostics

Sufism

you mean Tradition, the esoteric meaning

@fallot that's what mainstream sunnis think about all whoare not mainstream sunnis, thanks for info

Unless of course you are describing militant Sufiorders who behaved like western military orders

no, they are simply not muslims due to their beliefs and practices

Like the Templars and Teutonic Knights

there are some basics to Islam

Fallot

Are you a capitalist?

Just like alevis

Well I mean alawites

Depends on what that means @Hagel, I don't support evils that are linked to the word capitalism

Bektashi order was basically Mithraic order for Ottoman Muslims, and it possese striking similarities

Alawites only decided to become sort of outwardly Muslims in the 30s

but I'm for the basic human actions of buy and sell

1930s

1. It was dominated by Janissaries, a warrior class, who didn't marry or have families

2. It was initiatic

Economics must be secondary to other goals

if necessary, I would be prepared to do stuff that is called "socialist"

Jannisaries had families

3. It was focused towards spiritual progression of warrior type, that is, detached

It depends.

@Death Strike's Bat When they served armed forces, mostly not, they were young boys with no contact with theri real families or backgrounds

Do you support fascist economics?

full gay mystical nazi

And eventually became herisitery state pensions for urban homos

@Hagel yes and no

They weren't young.

Planning capitalism and socialism based on each case

fascist economics tend to be pragmatic

Most were teenagers.

they married later sure, but in their service basically they lived the "mannerbund" life