Message from @devolved

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2017-04-23 23:09:29 UTC  

Allah is the one who is light and eternal outside of time beyond the high heavens beyond the heavenly spheres and tracks the actions of souls. It just breaks down when you have a being/force/will outside of time dictating something that is eternal with him despite being human creation by not the most educated people.

2017-04-23 23:10:10 UTC  

Allah is not just that though

2017-04-23 23:10:12 UTC  

Jesus wills the world into being by creating the idea of the world.

2017-04-23 23:10:17 UTC  

but per the Quran closer to you than your jugular vein

2017-04-23 23:10:21 UTC  

so immanent as well

2017-04-23 23:11:42 UTC  

Which relates back to earlier European pagan traditions of willing the world into being like Odin and Uranus/Jupiter/Saturn

2017-04-23 23:11:49 UTC  

The problem is the meaning of the "World" to you is limited to the Earth as a planet and it's immediate stellar surroundings

2017-04-23 23:11:57 UTC  

Rather than Semitic light/solar analogies.

2017-04-23 23:12:01 UTC  

and hence your possibility of comprehension is limited and superficial

2017-04-23 23:12:17 UTC  

No, Christ wills the universe into being.

2017-04-23 23:12:19 UTC  

"The World" itself is a metaphysical concept

2017-04-23 23:12:25 UTC  

By thinking of the idea of it.

2017-04-23 23:12:43 UTC  

Of which the solar system is but one manifestation, quite specific and formal

2017-04-23 23:12:52 UTC  

And Universe

2017-04-23 23:12:52 UTC  

nothing he said implied that @The Enlightened Shepherd

2017-04-23 23:12:55 UTC  

how did you get to that

2017-04-23 23:13:03 UTC  

I am curious

2017-04-23 23:14:13 UTC  

The methaphysical idea of "The Earth' is only in a quite specific and superficial way, related to scientific discovery of the universe

2017-04-23 23:14:21 UTC  

All of these things are matter. The logos is the idea and reason and perfect form and singular word for it. The logos is theos

2017-04-23 23:14:39 UTC  
2017-04-23 23:14:39 UTC  

So it makes more sense to call them Normalizers, who intervene en masse when the pendulum swings too far in either direction. It happens to be swinging too far to the left now, so they come off as right-wingers. But circa 1990, it was swinging too far to the right (Tipper Gore and the PMRC), and they came off more as left-wingers.

2017-04-23 23:14:41 UTC  

this is stupid

2017-04-23 23:15:07 UTC  

it's stupid but it touches on a real thing I think

2017-04-23 23:15:25 UTC  

the phenomenon of normal people, under leftism, but with living souls/common sense

2017-04-23 23:15:26 UTC  

Christ is the universal divine force behind all creation. Oh and he can incarnate himerlf and invalidate death and undermine prior religions as demonic.

2017-04-23 23:15:51 UTC  

That's the problem

2017-04-23 23:16:00 UTC  

you immediately presupose a divnity behind a creative force

2017-04-23 23:16:05 UTC  

As there cannot be good without evil and if he is good there has to be evil.

2017-04-23 23:16:12 UTC  

and above all, make a hierarchal structure in an arbitrary way

2017-04-23 23:16:28 UTC  

And by benevolence, he willed evil into being

2017-04-23 23:16:34 UTC  

and you presuppose that creative force is related to only one power

2017-04-23 23:16:43 UTC  

That's Platonism/neoplatonism

2017-04-23 23:16:54 UTC  

"all of things are matter" this is a pleonasm

2017-04-23 23:17:18 UTC  

Europeans pushed the spirit world beyond their world.

2017-04-23 23:18:43 UTC  

While for primitive peoples, the spirit and the material are interwined.

2017-04-23 23:18:57 UTC  

Wrong on so many levels

2017-04-23 23:19:05 UTC  

It's not wrong.

2017-04-23 23:19:11 UTC  

For all traditional teachings

2017-04-23 23:19:18 UTC  

What is traditional?

2017-04-23 23:19:26 UTC  

This is traditional.

2017-04-23 23:19:33 UTC  

If you don't understand that we cannot have a meaningful conversation