Message from @devolved

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2017-05-27 17:50:34 UTC  

in levant itself there were at least 10 other ethnicities, many of them indo-european

2017-05-27 17:51:24 UTC  

The relevance of ancient pre-Christian customs to the 16th Century German initiation of the Christmas tree custom is disputed. Resistance to the custom was often because of its confirmed Lutheran origins.[12]

2017-05-27 17:51:31 UTC  

16th century German

2017-05-27 17:51:38 UTC  

yeah, that sits right with me

2017-05-27 17:52:02 UTC  

i think it is more ancient than that

2017-05-27 17:52:09 UTC  

Other sources have tried to make a connection between the first documented Christmas trees in Alsace around 1600 and pre-Christian traditions. For example, according to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "The use of evergreen trees, wreaths, and garlands to symbolize eternal life was a custom of the ancient Egyptians, Chinese, and Hebrews. Tree worship was common among the pagan Europeans and survived their conversion to Christianity in the Scandinavian customs of decorating the house and barn with evergreens at the New Year to scare away the devil and of setting up a tree for the birds during Christmas time."[13]

2017-05-27 17:52:14 UTC  

in orthodox world, especially here, we didnt decorate trees, but we instead burned oak branches

2017-05-27 17:52:25 UTC  

in eastern europe i think they did decorate trees too

2017-05-27 17:52:30 UTC  

we decorated houses

2017-05-27 17:52:50 UTC  

the pagan tree -> christmas tree doesn't seem like a fluid thing

2017-05-27 17:52:54 UTC  

Look up the history of Christmas

2017-05-27 17:52:58 UTC  

even if it does have definite origins

2017-05-27 17:53:08 UTC  

in pre-christian practices and beliefs

2017-05-27 17:53:13 UTC  

seems pretty obvious to me

2017-05-27 17:53:28 UTC  

it does seem obvious, which I admit

2017-05-27 17:53:37 UTC  

that the origin is these practices and beliefs

2017-05-27 17:53:43 UTC  

the question is though, is it a later imposition/addition

2017-05-27 17:53:50 UTC  

christmas trees are a masonic invention

2017-05-27 17:53:53 UTC  

or was it organically transmitted due to these people accepting christianity

2017-05-27 17:53:55 UTC  

because they look like pyramids

2017-05-27 17:53:59 UTC  

that's what you're trying to say

2017-05-27 17:54:04 UTC  

no

2017-05-27 17:54:09 UTC  

but close!

2017-05-27 17:54:25 UTC  

this specific "tree of life" symbolism infiltrated christianity

2017-05-27 17:54:37 UTC  

masonry is a new thing

2017-05-27 17:54:37 UTC  

and the star on top is just the cherry on top

2017-05-27 17:54:53 UTC  

tree of life isn't only a european symbol

2017-05-27 17:54:59 UTC  

yes, I'm aware

2017-05-27 17:55:01 UTC  

Midwinter in Scandinavia is dark, so they put lights on fir trees

2017-05-27 17:55:02 UTC  

it existed in levant, south asia, pretty much everywhere

2017-05-27 17:55:14 UTC  

that's why it's a fir and not an oak or whatever

2017-05-27 17:55:22 UTC  

Christianity could not exist as a remotely relevant tradition had it not borrowed from Traditional teachings

2017-05-27 17:55:24 UTC  

that seems like a rationalisation after the fact @Deleted User 57835c2c

2017-05-27 17:55:26 UTC  

It would be like Islam

2017-05-27 17:56:30 UTC  

Even "esoteric Islam" has basically nothing to do with Koran, other than when it comes to the most circuitous rationalizations

2017-05-27 17:56:42 UTC  

esoteric Islam = hellenic teachings

2017-05-27 17:56:45 UTC  

good, it should infiltrate christianity

2017-05-27 17:56:53 UTC  

and we should bring back more pagan symbols

2017-05-27 17:57:07 UTC  

and ceremonies