it's the same as prozakian nihilism

this kind of pragmatic/utilitarian ideology will always fail, it is inferior to leftism

in moral terms

I agree

PC leftism will always be morally superior to it

My goal was to come up with a way to justify a secular right-ism

I think nationalism is a temporarily workable solution

I think the best argument is the transaction costs point, but I think it will always be eroded

basically an antichrist ideology that raises the nation to god levels

fascism++

that in theory could work for a few generations at least

the other argument I am still going to write at some point is basically Filmer's argument filtered through Darwin, which is that all authority flows from Fatherhood, which imposes a non-theological hierarchy

I don't agree that this is a non-theological hierarchy

as fatherhood must also proceed from somewhere

Filmer's premise was God as Father, but I think you could do with out that

if it is incidental, then this is just arbitrary

and argue that it procedes from biology

yeah, it has to be "God the Father" to work

to work well

to work okay, you can sub in Darwin maybe

I appreciate the procession from biology but

that also removes your ability to raise this one aspect

and also, it reduces to utilitarianism

because your argument is ultimately "this works"

no framework for what working ultimately is, or what is good or bad

ignoring the ultimate metaphysics

hence always prey to the bigger scope of leftism

I think there's another question here as well

why do you, or anyone else, feel a draw to secular right etc. at all?

No, and I note in the post that you would need to develop that framework a lot a lot. I was just interested in whether there was a workable basis

why is it good that things works out, rather than they be changed

even at a cost

for some moral good

I don't, my only interest in a secular right is in shifting a large block of US voters

I now think there is no workable basis, ultimately

but temporarily?

I think you could do it, I would consider it evil however

I wish there was a workable framework, it would make things much easier

Eh. Everyone is religious. Some people just have a certain misinterpretation of what religion is and call themselves atheists and oppose themselves to random doctrine

A secular rightism that appeals to them on those terms but causes them to follow the action of a fundamentally religious ideology

could eventually correct their adolescent reaction to "religion" haha