Message from @fallot
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is that right?
Maybe a derivation of utilitarianism.
But more of a law and econ point about transaction costs
it's the same as prozakian nihilism
this kind of pragmatic/utilitarian ideology will always fail, it is inferior to leftism
in moral terms
I agree
PC leftism will always be morally superior to it
My goal was to come up with a way to justify a secular right-ism
I think nationalism is a temporarily workable solution
I think the best argument is the transaction costs point, but I think it will always be eroded
basically an antichrist ideology that raises the nation to god levels
fascism++
that in theory could work for a few generations at least
the other argument I am still going to write at some point is basically Filmer's argument filtered through Darwin, which is that all authority flows from Fatherhood, which imposes a non-theological hierarchy
I don't agree that this is a non-theological hierarchy
as fatherhood must also proceed from somewhere
Filmer's premise was God as Father, but I think you could do with out that
if it is incidental, then this is just arbitrary
and argue that it procedes from biology
to work well
to work okay, you can sub in Darwin maybe
I appreciate the procession from biology but
that also removes your ability to raise this one aspect
and also, it reduces to utilitarianism
because your argument is ultimately "this works"
no framework for what working ultimately is, or what is good or bad
ignoring the ultimate metaphysics
hence always prey to the bigger scope of leftism
I think there's another question here as well
why do you, or anyone else, feel a draw to secular right etc. at all?
No, and I note in the post that you would need to develop that framework a lot a lot. I was just interested in whether there was a workable basis
why is it good that things works out, rather than they be changed
even at a cost
for some moral good
I don't, my only interest in a secular right is in shifting a large block of US voters
I now think there is no workable basis, ultimately
but temporarily?
I think you could do it, I would consider it evil however
I wish there was a workable framework, it would make things much easier