Message from @Jigsaw

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2017-08-26 18:03:14 UTC  

I see it as self improvement applied at the group level

2017-08-26 18:03:19 UTC  

improving Us instead of improving Me

2017-08-26 18:03:19 UTC  

there is no such thing as "spiritual belief" only faith

2017-08-26 18:03:30 UTC  

Call it what you will, it's required.

2017-08-26 18:03:33 UTC  

how

2017-08-26 18:03:41 UTC  

It's known Hitler and the Pagan LARP'er Himmler, detested Athiesm.

2017-08-26 18:03:59 UTC  

Athiests were kicked out of the movement, this is a fact.

2017-08-26 18:04:14 UTC  

there was a connection between Atheism and communism at the time

2017-08-26 18:04:15 UTC  

Hitler and Himmler frequently cited some kind of 'providence'.

2017-08-26 18:04:24 UTC  

but they were essentially atheists as well in that they didn't believe in any God

2017-08-26 18:04:24 UTC  

Not to mention SS rituals.

2017-08-26 18:04:37 UTC  

Which had a belief in higher beings.

2017-08-26 18:04:38 UTC  

LOL the Nazis weren't atheists, that's a well-known fact.

2017-08-26 18:04:47 UTC  

their "God" was an image of their own past, or future

2017-08-26 18:05:01 UTC  

Nazism is an atheistic ideology

2017-08-26 18:05:08 UTC  

It's not.

2017-08-26 18:05:17 UTC  

yes it is, you cannot be a Nazi and a Christian for instance

2017-08-26 18:05:38 UTC  

It requires faith.

2017-08-26 18:06:05 UTC  

freethinking movements, atheism etc. were linked to communism

2017-08-26 18:06:09 UTC  

but what is the nazi faith?

2017-08-26 18:06:22 UTC  

Keep in mind, National Socialist idealogy originates from Volkisch belief and esotericsm.

2017-08-26 18:06:29 UTC  

originates from, sure

2017-08-26 18:06:46 UTC  

just like a lot of modern liberalism originates from protestant christianity

2017-08-26 18:06:58 UTC  

understand @Jigsaw that he does not recognize anything non-abrahamic as a religion

2017-08-26 18:07:04 UTC  

wrong

2017-08-26 18:07:26 UTC  

its really simple, adhere to a true faith (any historical faith)

2017-08-26 18:07:30 UTC  

he essentially sees nazism as just man's pride attempting to reach for heaven without god's sanction, another tower of babel

2017-08-26 18:07:32 UTC  

and you are religious

2017-08-26 18:07:40 UTC  

that's about right

2017-08-26 18:07:54 UTC  

its a falsely utopian ideology just like communism

2017-08-26 18:08:08 UTC  

Nazism doesn't really stand for anything, it stands against some bad things

2017-08-26 18:08:28 UTC  

but in itself, its not really anything except common sense, false solidarity, and control

2017-08-26 18:08:32 UTC  

keep in mind also that fallot is a pakistani muslim

2017-08-26 18:08:36 UTC  

it would have inevitably devolved into totalitarianism

2017-08-26 18:08:50 UTC  

I'd say an esoteric belief in a greater being or beings is the ''National Socialist religion'', a return to Germanic paganism in a way, at least it was for Himmler and Rosenberg.

2017-08-26 18:09:03 UTC  

they did not TRULY adhere to these though

2017-08-26 18:09:07 UTC  

it wasn't germanic paganism, it was aryan paganism

2017-08-26 18:09:10 UTC  

did they have the same mindset as the pagans they larped?

2017-08-26 18:09:20 UTC  

that's an important distinction to make

2017-08-26 18:09:20 UTC  

no, it was an original occultist ritualistic thing

2017-08-26 18:09:29 UTC  

more akin to freemasonry than any pagan belief