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and it's about the dealings of the prophet muhammad, who muslims religiously follow, correct?
Just checked, 604 pages
It's partly about that
But many other things as well
That's alot of fire starter
it's significantly about that though, correct?
The hadeeth primarily deals with that
is that a true enough generality that I can hypothesize from it?
Significantly, yes.
Most of it doesn't talk about that.
okay. So assuming the koran is a 600 page document about muhammad, who was a true prophet, plus other useful doctrine revealed from the true god, let's go from there
It's not about muhammad.
But he's a recurring topic.
let's say, hypothetically speaking, that people following muhammad around all day had an additional 9,500 pages of his direct discourses documented by chronological order and indexed by topic, documented down to the very day and location where each sermon was given
The hadeeth documents what he said and what he did and what he approved and disapproved of.
That exists.
well hold on a sec
It's the hadeeth, not the quran.
let's say it's on top of what already exists
okay
quran = core religious document, hadeeth = much longer work chronicling everything the true prophet said in great detail
There are many times more hadeeth than verses in the quran.
Quran, what god said. Hadeeth, what the prophet said and did.
Though the prophet is guided by god.
if I told you there were muslims who read the quran and believed it was a true book, and that muhammad was a true prophet, but regarding the hadeeth they acknowledged its authenticity yet paradoxically disregarded it as "apocrypha" and never referred to it and strongly discouraged its study, what would you make of that?
what would your conclusion be about this hypothetical muslim sect?
There are a lot of false hadeeths. Most hadeeths are false.
And the sources are the same, so it doesn't make sense to discount the hadeeth but not the quran.
right, exactly
but let's pretend some Sect X decided to do exactly that
how would you think about that sect
It's discouraged to study some hadeeth generally
As there's a lot of false hadeeths
Depending on their reasoning, they might be apostates.
let's say their reasoning was, "our current religious leaders don't explicitly endorse its reading, therefore it is bad to read it, even though we believe the document is genuine"
What does it mean for religious leaders to not endorse its reading? Hadeeth is essential. What they would do is set out the real ones from the false ones, the real ones would be followed as gospel.
For example, the quran would tell you to pray.
well, exactly as I said. Let us say this Sect X of muslims had religious leaders that strongly discourage the reading of the hadeeth, yet believe the whole document to be authentic, and therefore the religious adherents feel like it's some kind of sin or apostasy to even open the hadeeth
But the hadeeth would tell you how you'd go about doing that.
Without hadeeth, and tradition, you wouldn't know how to pray.