TO USE OUR OLD SLOGAN, PUT THE "FIST" BACK IN "PACIFIST"

RECTALLY

I feel nothing for the underlying views of our traditions but ymmv

SALVATION IS OVERSTATED, I THINK

RECITE MAGIC WORDS TO ENTER HEAVEN -- NO.

THE POINT IS THAT THOSE WHO LIVE IN ACCORD WITH NATURAL ORDER EXPERIENCE THE DIVINE

TRANSCENDENCE, IN OTHER WORDS

Submit to enter heaven - yes

PAGANISM MAKES THE SAME POINT

If you're not good enough, you will not enter Valhall and the gods have no use for you in the final battle.

PEOPLE MUST HUMBLE THEIR INDIVIDUALISM TO THE ORDER OF THIS WORLD

VERY SIMILAR

BUT EVEN MORE, THERE WAS A NEED FOR UNDERSTANDING

Have you read Lynn Whites tracking salvation through industrialization and how it probably led to treating the earth as a commodity?

Essay*

fuck I hate typing long shit on phones

THOSE WHO SAW THEIR PLACE AND MAXIMIZED IT ACCORDING TO THE DIVINE ORDER WERE GOOD

THIS IS THE LESSON OF THE ODYSSEY, IN PART

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ MY SYMPATHY. I HATE TYPING ANYTHING ON PHONES. I HAVE NOT READ THAT ESSAY.

HOWEVER, MY ATTACK ON DUALISM IS SIMILAR

IT IS UNCLEAR TO ME HOWEVER THAT CHRISTIANITY WAS INTENDED AS DUALISTIC ("TWO WORLDS")

THE HEAVENS ARE NOT AS EXPLICITLY JOINED, BUT GOD DOES INTERVENE IN THE PHYSICAL

THE PROBLEM WITH SALVATION RHETORIC IS THAT IT CAN IMPLY DUALISM

WHERE THE REALITY IS NOT ANOTHER WORLD, BUT A CONTINUITY OF LAYERS OF THIS ONE

I.E. THE METAPHYSICAL EXISTS AMONG US

He draws attention to how even if people were to go mine or cut forest they used to pay tribute to the spirits there. The belief that there was something powerful dwelling there seems to have kept back some delusions of infinite expansion and Dominion over the earth.

goes to what you said about knowing man's place

For the wisdom of this world is folly with God

Corinthians

Worldliness was never a good thing

Ephesians 4:14–15

so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ

How am I supposed to interpret this?

If we need Christianity then I vote for Mormonism

It was conceived by a Germanic / Celtic man far away from Judea, and it shows

@devolved yeah dude honestly I don't know much about Mormonism because it doesn't interest me. Not willing to speak towards it.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEPARATE "WORLDLINESS" FROM "DUAL WORLDS"

THEY ARE SPEAKING OF THE VEIL

Why call more layers metaphysical?

You know nevermind it doesn't matter

How can you separate Greco-Roman philosophy and thinking, the foundation of Western civilization, from Greco-Roman spirituality?

Christianity has very strong pagan roots. Many of the saints of the Catholic Church come from pagan deities and heroes who were adopted into the canon to please the converts.

THE IDEA IS THAT PHYSICAL AND METAPHYSICAL ARE A CONTINUITY, NOT ENTIRELY SEPARATE THINGS