Message from @Hagel

Discord ID: 372769283392143362


2017-10-25 15:27:48 UTC  

In Christianity, deeds are empty, faith is golden

2017-10-25 15:28:04 UTC  

This makes those inferior spiteful, rather than awe inspired, of the champions

2017-10-25 15:28:14 UTC  

Christianity offered a vision that so called paganism seems to have not

2017-10-25 15:28:16 UTC  

The champions succeed in the sinful world, but are not truly better

2017-10-25 15:28:44 UTC  

To say that it was adopted to simply keep order or whatever is a lie

2017-10-25 15:28:53 UTC  

In norse paganism, and I imagine other ones, the greatest ancestors are venerated for their deeds and virtues.

2017-10-25 15:28:58 UTC  

I DISAGREE THERE

2017-10-25 15:29:06 UTC  

IT WAS ADOPTED BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER TO COMMUNICATE

2017-10-25 15:29:11 UTC  

WHICH FIT WITH A GROWING CIVILIZATION

2017-10-25 15:29:18 UTC  

Look at it in context of what ran through the Greeks before Christianity. Orphism there rejected the polis of gods and humans as well as the celebration of the good life. This brought changes in basic religious ceremony where before you saw wooden dicks being a core artifact that represented the fertility and delight of the gods and men. Afterwards you saw intellectuals feel discomfort by uttering excuses of abstract progenitive power to justify that tradition with which they were already uncomfortable. So whatever made it from the Greeks to Christianity was already of the sensibility I was talking about. Paganism was basically dead.

2017-10-25 15:29:32 UTC  

A WRITTEN, CLEAR RELIGION IS A BETTER TECHNOLOGY THAN AN UNWRITTEN ONE THAT REQUIRES GENIUSES TO INTERPRET

2017-10-25 15:30:06 UTC  

@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ IN DECAY, EVERYTHING IS INVERTED

2017-10-25 15:30:28 UTC  

if you wanna frame it that way then the salvation perspective is decay

2017-10-25 15:30:37 UTC  

I dunno if that's the best frame

2017-10-25 15:30:40 UTC  

The religion that existed in the Mediterranean was also decayed

2017-10-25 15:31:00 UTC  

Even if I'm inclined to agree with that judgement

2017-10-25 15:31:11 UTC  

for other reasons

2017-10-25 15:31:47 UTC  

THE SOCIETIES THAT EXISTED IN THE MEDITERRANEAN WERE DECAYED

2017-10-25 15:31:52 UTC  

AND SO WITH THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE WENT

2017-10-25 15:31:59 UTC  

THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED TO CHRISTIANITY IN THE WEST

2017-10-25 15:32:02 UTC  

ᴅᴇᴠɪ - Today at 5:28 PM
To say that it was adopted to simply keep order or whatever is a lie

That wasn't the only reason, but Brett stressed that point

2017-10-25 15:32:06 UTC  

LOOK AT A CHURCH TODAY: RAINBOW FLAGS AND DIVERSITY

2017-10-25 15:32:15 UTC  

Look at pagans today

2017-10-25 15:32:18 UTC  

Virtue signalling cucks

2017-10-25 15:32:21 UTC  

if they're not mere larpers

2017-10-25 15:32:21 UTC  

NEW AGERS

2017-10-25 15:32:24 UTC  

ESSENTIALLY

2017-10-25 15:32:33 UTC  

HEATHENS AGAINST HATE

2017-10-25 15:32:34 UTC  

LOLOLOL

2017-10-25 15:32:34 UTC  

THIS IS WHY I SAY WE SHOULD TAKE OUR TRADITIONS AS THEY ARE AND BUILD ON THEM

2017-10-25 15:32:40 UTC  

CLARIFY FOR EXAMPLE THAT JESUS WAS NOT A PACIFIST

2017-10-25 15:32:49 UTC  

TO USE OUR OLD SLOGAN, PUT THE "FIST" BACK IN "PACIFIST"

2017-10-25 15:32:54 UTC  

RECTALLY

2017-10-25 15:33:02 UTC  

I feel nothing for the underlying views of our traditions but ymmv

2017-10-25 15:33:28 UTC  

SALVATION IS OVERSTATED, I THINK

2017-10-25 15:33:37 UTC  

RECITE MAGIC WORDS TO ENTER HEAVEN -- NO.

2017-10-25 15:33:48 UTC  

THE POINT IS THAT THOSE WHO LIVE IN ACCORD WITH NATURAL ORDER EXPERIENCE THE DIVINE

2017-10-25 15:33:52 UTC  

TRANSCENDENCE, IN OTHER WORDS

2017-10-25 15:33:53 UTC  

Submit to enter heaven - yes

2017-10-25 15:33:55 UTC  

PAGANISM MAKES THE SAME POINT

2017-10-25 15:34:11 UTC  

If you're not good enough, you will not enter Valhall and the gods have no use for you in the final battle.