Message from @Hagel
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In Christianity, deeds are empty, faith is golden
This makes those inferior spiteful, rather than awe inspired, of the champions
Christianity offered a vision that so called paganism seems to have not
The champions succeed in the sinful world, but are not truly better
To say that it was adopted to simply keep order or whatever is a lie
In norse paganism, and I imagine other ones, the greatest ancestors are venerated for their deeds and virtues.
I DISAGREE THERE
IT WAS ADOPTED BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER TO COMMUNICATE
WHICH FIT WITH A GROWING CIVILIZATION
Look at it in context of what ran through the Greeks before Christianity. Orphism there rejected the polis of gods and humans as well as the celebration of the good life. This brought changes in basic religious ceremony where before you saw wooden dicks being a core artifact that represented the fertility and delight of the gods and men. Afterwards you saw intellectuals feel discomfort by uttering excuses of abstract progenitive power to justify that tradition with which they were already uncomfortable. So whatever made it from the Greeks to Christianity was already of the sensibility I was talking about. Paganism was basically dead.
A WRITTEN, CLEAR RELIGION IS A BETTER TECHNOLOGY THAN AN UNWRITTEN ONE THAT REQUIRES GENIUSES TO INTERPRET
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ IN DECAY, EVERYTHING IS INVERTED
if you wanna frame it that way then the salvation perspective is decay
I dunno if that's the best frame
The religion that existed in the Mediterranean was also decayed
Even if I'm inclined to agree with that judgement
for other reasons
THE SOCIETIES THAT EXISTED IN THE MEDITERRANEAN WERE DECAYED
AND SO WITH THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE WENT
THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENED TO CHRISTIANITY IN THE WEST
ᴅᴇᴠɪ - Today at 5:28 PM
To say that it was adopted to simply keep order or whatever is a lie
That wasn't the only reason, but Brett stressed that point
LOOK AT A CHURCH TODAY: RAINBOW FLAGS AND DIVERSITY
Look at pagans today
Virtue signalling cucks
if they're not mere larpers
NEW AGERS
ESSENTIALLY
HEATHENS AGAINST HATE
LOLOLOL
THIS IS WHY I SAY WE SHOULD TAKE OUR TRADITIONS AS THEY ARE AND BUILD ON THEM
CLARIFY FOR EXAMPLE THAT JESUS WAS NOT A PACIFIST
TO USE OUR OLD SLOGAN, PUT THE "FIST" BACK IN "PACIFIST"
RECTALLY
I feel nothing for the underlying views of our traditions but ymmv
SALVATION IS OVERSTATED, I THINK
RECITE MAGIC WORDS TO ENTER HEAVEN -- NO.
THE POINT IS THAT THOSE WHO LIVE IN ACCORD WITH NATURAL ORDER EXPERIENCE THE DIVINE
TRANSCENDENCE, IN OTHER WORDS
Submit to enter heaven - yes
PAGANISM MAKES THE SAME POINT
If you're not good enough, you will not enter Valhall and the gods have no use for you in the final battle.