Message from @diversity_is_racism
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WE ARE DISCUSSING GERMAN IDEALISM
TRUE NATURE OF HIPPIES REVEALED
Schopenhauer took the middle way. He critiqued Berkeley and Hegel and the materialists
and materialism/idealism are just two autistically extreme polarities that only exist because folk western people decided on a mind/body divide. From there you get spirit and matter and away we go.
NOT IN THE SCHOPENHAUERIAN VIEW
OR THE KANTIAN
THE DIVIDE IS NOT BODY/MIND BUT CAUSE/EFFECT
WITH BOTH BEING IMPORTANT
SCHOPENHAUER MAKES THIS CLEAR
KANT IS LESS CLEAR, BUT IMPLIES IT HEAVILY
WHAT YOU ARE CALLING IDEALISM IS ACTUALLY DUALISM
I haven't defined that yet
idealism is a monism of two options:
1) reductionist - matter is actually the result of mental activity
2) eliminativist - matter doesn't exist there's just mental stuff.
Reverse it for materialism
Dualism is like, `yo dawg there are two independent substances. Dunno how they connect.`
YOU CONFLATE "IDEA" AND "MENTAL ACTIVITY" WHICH IS CLEARLY REJECTED
AND IT IS NOT REDUCTIONISM PER SE TO STATE THAT CAUSE/EFFECT RELATIONSHIPS APPLY TO MATTER AND IDEA
Can we avoid semantics
Like I know you know exactly the thinking I'm trying to put into words here
By that I mean clearly stating stuff that's come up in the history of ideas
DUALISM POSITS A SEPARATION BETWEEN MATERIAL AND IDEA
yeah
IDEALISM PRESENTS A UNIFIED NOTION, IS THAT CORRECT?
(I AM NOT TRYING TO RUN YOU DOWN HERE. AS I TOLD SEXILARCH, THIS IS A FRIENDLY CONVERSATION.)
(AND PEOPLE CAN FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE.)
There are two types of idealism
Oh I'm not upset
Or frustrated even
Just trying to lay out some background and context before even getting to schopenhauer
Are platonic forms dualism then
kinda outta scope since that theory came outta a different culture with a different set of folk assumptions
I mean obviously if you've read WWR platonism is mentioned
Ur a folk
And kinda synthesized
I'm asking @diversity_is_racism
Since I never understood what he meant by dualism
Oh
@devolved NO, BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE IN LINE WITH DUALISM
PLATONIC FORMS POSIT AN UNDERLYING ORDER TO THIS WORLD, NOT A SEPARATE WORLD
THIS GETS DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE ARE POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL DIMENSIONS OR LAYERS TO THIS WORLD