Message from @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻
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WE ARE NOTICING FORMS AND TENDENCIES OVER TIME, NOT TANGIBLE OBJECTS IN THE MOMENT
all you have to work with are representations made from a thin trickle of sensory data.
this is fine for navigating
but beyond that
@༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻ MANY THINGS MUST REMAIN MYSTERIES
THAT IS NOT PROBLEMATIC IN ITSELF
AFTER ALL, WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND THEM ANYWAY
DUNNING-KRUGER IS ALSO AN UPPER LIMIT ON THE HUMAN SPECIES
we are boat in a storm that has a little spot light at the front of it that let's us see the waves crash into each other and maybe a water spout in the distance we might want to avoid.
blah blah Dionysus
WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO SEE PATTERNS IN THE WAVES
Blah blah Apollo
THIS IS NOT A LIFE ALONE IN A VOID OF DATA
WE ARE IN FACT AWASH IN IT
THE QUESTION IS PATTERN RECOGNITION
I honestly don't even know what we are talking about at this point
that's why I left the conversation
I was looking at pants on amazon instead, at least that is remotely helpful to my life
We started talking about attitudes and the contents of books but our abstractions grew tentacles of their own and slithered into murky Eldritch swamps
NOT AT ALL
WE ARE STILL ON TOPIC
WE ARE DISCUSSING GERMAN IDEALISM
TRUE NATURE OF HIPPIES REVEALED
Schopenhauer took the middle way. He critiqued Berkeley and Hegel and the materialists
and materialism/idealism are just two autistically extreme polarities that only exist because folk western people decided on a mind/body divide. From there you get spirit and matter and away we go.
NOT IN THE SCHOPENHAUERIAN VIEW
OR THE KANTIAN
THE DIVIDE IS NOT BODY/MIND BUT CAUSE/EFFECT
WITH BOTH BEING IMPORTANT
SCHOPENHAUER MAKES THIS CLEAR
KANT IS LESS CLEAR, BUT IMPLIES IT HEAVILY
WHAT YOU ARE CALLING IDEALISM IS ACTUALLY DUALISM
I haven't defined that yet
idealism is a monism of two options:
1) reductionist - matter is actually the result of mental activity
2) eliminativist - matter doesn't exist there's just mental stuff.
Reverse it for materialism
Dualism is like, `yo dawg there are two independent substances. Dunno how they connect.`
YOU CONFLATE "IDEA" AND "MENTAL ACTIVITY" WHICH IS CLEARLY REJECTED
AND IT IS NOT REDUCTIONISM PER SE TO STATE THAT CAUSE/EFFECT RELATIONSHIPS APPLY TO MATTER AND IDEA
Can we avoid semantics