it's a stateless, classless and moneyless society

well, there's some nuance

but that's the basic gist

under true communism there would be no government

it was still socialism

with dictatorship of the proletariat

Fine, totalitarianism prevents natural development in all aspects; tech, culture, economy, everything

@WizardLizardInABlizzard while the Soviet Union was yes, totalitarian, in a socialist system innovation would skyrocket and develop better.

>real communism never existed
*I wonder fucking why*

@WizardLizardInABlizzard because they transitioned from agrarian economies and not capitalist economies

socialism always fails when there's no industry to build it upon

literally every example of a socialist revolution happens in the third world and not industralized nations

Capitalism and free market is the best fertilizer for innovation

@WizardLizardInABlizzard but you're only arguing about the pragmatic effects of punishing dissent *in one way*, not justifying free speech.
`Fine, totalitarianism prevents natural development in all aspects; tech, culture, economy, everything`
Not necessarily, although *corporatism* does sacrifice efficiency for stability which is great.
`>real communism never existed
I wonder fucking why`
It did, although rather pathetically most of the time

Also probably the main reason we're not all killing each other

@WizardLizardInABlizzard innovation under a capitalist system is only driven for more profit, while under socialism is different

`Capitalism and free market is the best fertilizer for innovation`
No, it's the best encouragement for appealing to base desires

And what drives profit?

Greed

No, demand

Learn economy

@WizardLizardInABlizzard the greed for more. Greed and the profit motive still exists under socialism

You need an actor with the greed to satisfy the demand

except that the profits driven by greed would be benefited for and by the people, not the bourgeois

Yes.

An innovator

@WizardLizardInABlizzard innovation would be better under a socialist system.

Who let the commi in?

But we got off topic

who's the commie?

We were talking about free speech

@Leiro レイロ who else

You didn't justify it, but only switched to advocating a different punishment

@WizardLizardInABlizzard I'm a libertarian/democratic socialist, not a Marxist-Leninist or other sects of marxism

Of course the guy named after light in Hebrew is shilling for socialism

>libertarian socialist
now that's faggy

come on dude

hahaha libertarian socialist hahhaha

>libertarian
>socialist
Chose one

@WizardLizardInABlizzard both

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