Message from @Quasi
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Yeah, why not?
If it's for ideas it is
@WizardLizardInABlizzard while that was the theory and logic behind stalinist policies of forced collectivisation, that is what would happen if socialism didn't transition from capitalism and from a agrarian society.
They can do good deeds because of their bad deeds
Because that is stagnation in the economy
Slavery is not economically sound
We don't have to do it if it's not pragmatic
@WizardLizardInABlizzard the stagnating economy only worsened under khrusvhevs policies
but they can be useful in some way
Community service
Whatever, really
Because when Russia opened up to world economy gulags already did their damage
@Quasi government appointed life is communism
No, that's totalitarianism
you NPC
@WizardLizardInABlizzard under the guise of opening it up, the military-industrial complex fell under the hands of oligarchs
most final stage communist ideologies wouldn't have government
yes
it's a stateless, classless and moneyless society
well, there's some nuance
under true communism there would be no government
it was still socialism
with dictatorship of the proletariat
Fine, totalitarianism prevents natural development in all aspects; tech, culture, economy, everything
@WizardLizardInABlizzard while the Soviet Union was yes, totalitarian, in a socialist system innovation would skyrocket and develop better.
>real communism never existed
*I wonder fucking why*
@WizardLizardInABlizzard because they transitioned from agrarian economies and not capitalist economies
socialism always fails when there's no industry to build it upon
literally every example of a socialist revolution happens in the third world and not industralized nations
Capitalism and free market is the best fertilizer for innovation
@WizardLizardInABlizzard but you're only arguing about the pragmatic effects of punishing dissent *in one way*, not justifying free speech.
`Fine, totalitarianism prevents natural development in all aspects; tech, culture, economy, everything`
Not necessarily, although *corporatism* does sacrifice efficiency for stability which is great.
`>real communism never existed
I wonder fucking why`
It did, although rather pathetically most of the time
Also probably the main reason we're not all killing each other
@WizardLizardInABlizzard innovation under a capitalist system is only driven for more profit, while under socialism is different
`Capitalism and free market is the best fertilizer for innovation`
No, it's the best encouragement for appealing to base desires
And what drives profit?
Greed
No, demand
Learn economy
@WizardLizardInABlizzard the greed for more. Greed and the profit motive still exists under socialism
You need an actor with the greed to satisfy the demand