Message from @Leiro レイロ
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under true communism there would be no government
it was still socialism
with dictatorship of the proletariat
Fine, totalitarianism prevents natural development in all aspects; tech, culture, economy, everything
@WizardLizardInABlizzard while the Soviet Union was yes, totalitarian, in a socialist system innovation would skyrocket and develop better.
>real communism never existed
*I wonder fucking why*
@WizardLizardInABlizzard because they transitioned from agrarian economies and not capitalist economies
socialism always fails when there's no industry to build it upon
literally every example of a socialist revolution happens in the third world and not industralized nations
Capitalism and free market is the best fertilizer for innovation
@WizardLizardInABlizzard but you're only arguing about the pragmatic effects of punishing dissent *in one way*, not justifying free speech.
`Fine, totalitarianism prevents natural development in all aspects; tech, culture, economy, everything`
Not necessarily, although *corporatism* does sacrifice efficiency for stability which is great.
`>real communism never existed
I wonder fucking why`
It did, although rather pathetically most of the time
Also probably the main reason we're not all killing each other
@WizardLizardInABlizzard innovation under a capitalist system is only driven for more profit, while under socialism is different
`Capitalism and free market is the best fertilizer for innovation`
No, it's the best encouragement for appealing to base desires
And what drives profit?
Greed
No, demand
Learn economy
@WizardLizardInABlizzard the greed for more. Greed and the profit motive still exists under socialism
You need an actor with the greed to satisfy the demand
Yes.
An innovator
@WizardLizardInABlizzard innovation would be better under a socialist system.
Who let the commi in?
But we got off topic
who's the commie?
We were talking about free speech
@Leiro レイロ who else
You didn't justify it, but only switched to advocating a different punishment
@WizardLizardInABlizzard I'm a libertarian/democratic socialist, not a Marxist-Leninist or other sects of marxism
Of course the guy named after light in Hebrew is shilling for socialism
>libertarian socialist
now that's faggy
come on dude
hahaha libertarian socialist hahhaha
>libertarian
>socialist
Chose one
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libertarianism was founded by a anarchist sorry
@WizardLizardInABlizzard you *can* pick both which just makes it worse