Message from @Salo Saloson
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Hosea 13:2, "And now they sin more and more, And make for themselves molten images, Idols skillfully made from their silver, All of them the work of craftsmen. They say of them, “Let the men who sacrifice kiss the calves!"
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Literally speaking, that image isn't made from silver
Sounds like you're interpreting, Al
How do you justify kneeling before idols
Stop avoiding the question
I already explained the answer to that question
But this conversation isn't between me and you
And I don't remember asking for your thoughts on anything
Small al has the same question lol
I’m asking for your thoughts
And I've answered his question
It’s the other way around
how does the material of the statue change the meaning lol?
Hold on a minute now
You've argued against interpretation this entire time
And now you're saying that the material doesn't matter
When that verse says silver
You argue literalism, fine
Wait what are you on about
Yes I do, and you are literally in violation of kneeling before idols. You make gods and goddesses of your Saints and of Mary.
They are neither gods or goddesses
Holy people, who accomplished miracles? Yes
Kneeling before idols to own the pagans
And they should be seen as standards and examples of what we should do for the faith
Just because that specific verse said silver doesn't mean that the meaning would be different if it said the statue was ceramic. That's a completely different way of interpreting something "literally"
And there's a HUGE HUGE difference between interpreting something literally, and just plainly adding things that were never there to begin with. Show me where the Bible says to kneel before statues, to make icons of saints, and to revere mortal men and women as if they were more than what they are
because those are things the catholic faith is guilty of
Well, when you expunge the Catholic Church from the world, be sure to call me
“It’s fucked, might as well accepts the lies and idols and bullshit”
Hardly what I said, but if that helps you sleep at night, sure
It doesn’t, I want intellectual honesty, and this conversation is lacking in it
I'm being perfectly honest. But you're not the person I had the discussion with
So your particular opinion means fuck all
Lmao
So touchy
"Well, when you expunge the Catholic Church from the world, be sure to call me" My friend, that isn't my point. As much as I'd love to be rid of Catholicism, paganism, and everything else in between, it's more than likely not gonna happen by the hands of mere men. However, that doesn't mean that people shouldn't be informed of the church's wrongdoings and of its lies. This world will be full of sin no matter what, until the Messiah returns. That's no reason to just give up and let people fall. But hey, if you want to continue your ways then by all means, continue. I beseech you to abandon the catholic church, but there's truthfully nothing I can do to stop you. Adios, amigo
Psalm 81:12
"So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices."
I will continue following the faith in the way I was taught and in keeping with the correct doctrines, yes.
@Al_Bi I appreciate your point and commend you on your study of scripture but I have to disagree with you re the Virgin Mary and sainthood. Venerating the Virgin Mary is a practice very specific to Jesuit congregations and is really only commonplace amongst Hispanic and Southeast Asian diocese, almost never amongst European or white American Catholics. The official Catechism is pretty clear that Mary was "annointed in the Holy Spirit" and is not herself intrinsically divine. As for sainthood, canonization is an affirmation of faith and worship of saints is explicitly prohibited.
In terms of your citing Catholic reference to Mary as "Mother of God" I think you misinterpret that if taken literally or at its face. While Mary is physically the mother of Jesus, in the Catholic faith Jesus is seen as sharing God's primordial nature, and while Jesus was physically made manifest by Mary he is as eternal as God - hence the term "begotten not made, consubstantial with the father".