Don’t give me a data dump, make your actual argument

https://mltheory.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/facts-about-the-holodomor-and-why-its-fake/

https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/grover_furr_blood_lies_the_evidence_that_every_b-ok-org.pdf

Oh

Yeah while I’m sure TheFinnishBolshevik from mltheory.com is just the HEIGHT of credibility

Make your actual case for what you think happened

And then support it with data

Alright then here we go

First let's talk about Ukraine before the 30's

Or in fact

The Russian empire in general

Famine was a common thing. It happened every 5-7 years

Stats

Jeez I'm gonna have to bring something for every arguement I make.
Alright hold up so I could find it in my library

Yeah, you need to make your case

I’ve never seen any stats for tsarist agricultural yield, if you’re basing an argument on that then I want to see some data

Otherwise maybe you’re right maybe you’re not

I’ll certainly agree it was not technologically advanced, and I’m sure it suffered famine occasionally

What is this debate about?

Basically what happened in rural Ukraine under Stalinist rule

And whether there was a concerted effort by Stalin to kill off the rural population, or if it was a famine relief program

Mostly starvation

Why would Stalin want to kill off the rural population, he needs them for agriculture

I had a professor who said about it: “Stalin needed to urbanize quickly, and the best way to make people move to the cities is to make it impossible to live in the country”

Urbanization

@Deleted User Well sorry that I have to look through dozens of documents to find that one specific thing you want from me but this isn't exactly a planned debate. If you want me to debate about it like you do then I can just say "read [insert book name]" like you do and leave it at that but I know that doesn't get us anywhere with the debate

So do you want to debate or...

Do you want to engage in your identity politics?

@Boo I didn’t ask you to comment on famine rates in tsarist Russia, you did that

And yet you asked for the stats

If it’s crucial to your point, then you need to prove it. If it’s not, then just move on without it

Which I said I'll give it

A bit of patience please while I find it

Yeah, you made a claim that I have not heard so I asked for your source

Uh ok

Thank you

I have a whole library to go through so it might take awhile

Like honestly not trying to be a dick here

If you want we can move forward assuming that’s true

I’m leaving, tag me when u respond plz

Thnx!