Ok, let’s see them

Apparently not if you're asking me for those stats

Right hold up

I am currently asking you for these stats

Show me that the population of Ukraine did not drop.

I actually agree with you in you argument with Boo.

Lol

Here, educate yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harvest_of_Sorrow

It’s a great book

Might help dissuade you from tankie conspiracy theories.

@Deleted User Right here's a bunch of things to look through

Don’t give me a data dump, make your actual argument

https://mltheory.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/facts-about-the-holodomor-and-why-its-fake/

https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/grover_furr_blood_lies_the_evidence_that_every_b-ok-org.pdf

Oh

Yeah while I’m sure TheFinnishBolshevik from mltheory.com is just the HEIGHT of credibility

Make your actual case for what you think happened

And then support it with data

Alright then here we go

First let's talk about Ukraine before the 30's

Or in fact

The Russian empire in general

Famine was a common thing. It happened every 5-7 years

Stats

Jeez I'm gonna have to bring something for every arguement I make.
Alright hold up so I could find it in my library

Yeah, you need to make your case

I’ve never seen any stats for tsarist agricultural yield, if you’re basing an argument on that then I want to see some data

Otherwise maybe you’re right maybe you’re not

I’ll certainly agree it was not technologically advanced, and I’m sure it suffered famine occasionally

What is this debate about?

Basically what happened in rural Ukraine under Stalinist rule

And whether there was a concerted effort by Stalin to kill off the rural population, or if it was a famine relief program

Mostly starvation

Why would Stalin want to kill off the rural population, he needs them for agriculture

I had a professor who said about it: “Stalin needed to urbanize quickly, and the best way to make people move to the cities is to make it impossible to live in the country”

Urbanization

@Deleted User Well sorry that I have to look through dozens of documents to find that one specific thing you want from me but this isn't exactly a planned debate. If you want me to debate about it like you do then I can just say "read [insert book name]" like you do and leave it at that but I know that doesn't get us anywhere with the debate

So do you want to debate or...

Do you want to engage in your identity politics?

@Boo I didn’t ask you to comment on famine rates in tsarist Russia, you did that