Message from @Sh0t

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2019-12-05 05:21:50 UTC  

there is precedent in such an issue across the country in the city manager movement, and various other consolidations(going the OTHER way and limited democracy and responsiveness)

2019-12-05 05:23:59 UTC  

republicans lmao

2019-12-05 05:25:20 UTC  

It's counter-intuitive because it makes the congress even more bloated, which will create more gridlock, all the while resting on the assumption that more people in congress will lead to less corruption (which while not impossible is not something you should take as a guarantee at all); term limits largely negates this problem and simply cycles people out, likely before too much corruption happens in the first place; not hard to understand. Also that would not be a "fixed" cost then as that isn't any sort of standardized thing, it's simply the cost of a bribe.

2019-12-05 05:25:44 UTC  

obviously the idea of 'growing' the house is not abnormal since it grew from 65 to 435 from 'founding' till 1920. the change and trend was related more to the urbanization of the country, not a 'size' problem.

2019-12-05 05:26:10 UTC  

Yeah and it's already quite grid locked today

2019-12-05 05:26:19 UTC  

dude, you keep saying term limits. Term limits adderss a DIFFERENT issue altogether. they are compatible

2019-12-05 05:26:39 UTC  

can you not understand the difference between a term limit and ratio of population to representative diluting your 'per session' voice

2019-12-05 05:27:13 UTC  

How exactly is the representative to population ratio as important?

2019-12-05 05:28:00 UTC  

because it raises the amount of voice per person. instead of having your vote diluted with 750k people, it's down to 250k or whatever amount.more reps, more reps to interface with the population, more responsiveness

2019-12-05 05:28:41 UTC  

more districts, smooths out gerrymandering shennanigans, turns the congress more 'parlimentry' instead of washing out so many 'minority' votes

2019-12-05 05:28:44 UTC  

The representative to population ratio should be 1:1 on almost every issue

2019-12-05 05:29:02 UTC  

for a state like california, that's basically what they have on the propositions

2019-12-05 05:29:10 UTC  

and that's amost 40million people

2019-12-05 05:29:11 UTC  

Sure, and I agree on that front, but if you have more people it will still create more gridlock.

2019-12-05 05:29:27 UTC  

You can't increase the amount too much

2019-12-05 05:29:52 UTC  

how is that even the case when a large state like california with 40million already does it

2019-12-05 05:30:23 UTC  

Well california isn't doing particularly well right now so they aren't exactly a shining example

2019-12-05 05:31:08 UTC  

California is doing great and carries much of the US on its back

2019-12-05 05:32:00 UTC  

it's the world's 6th or 7th largest economy, the proposition system is great, high income but low property taxes, it gets bills that the population wants out faster than almost any state despite its size

2019-12-05 05:32:13 UTC  

it's hamstrung by the federal situation because it has to harmonize with 'conservatives'

2019-12-05 05:32:46 UTC  

it's a major net-tax loser, the worst by gross, and upper third by relative measure

2019-12-05 05:33:19 UTC  

California is also having millions leave the state and has major problems with it's cities

2019-12-05 05:33:43 UTC  

millions leave, millions come, it can't grow forever other states also have industries that are competitive for jobs and population

2019-12-05 05:33:55 UTC  

yea what major problem does san diego have

2019-12-05 05:34:01 UTC  

i lived there 13 years

2019-12-05 05:34:18 UTC  

major problem with california cities is they are too popular, so they are crowded as fuck

2019-12-05 05:34:32 UTC  

and also have major city management problems

2019-12-05 05:35:51 UTC  

San Diego for instance is one of the areas with a large population of homeless people

2019-12-05 05:35:59 UTC  

@Sh0t the House ratio, is based on population

2019-12-05 05:36:09 UTC  

You are talking about the house right?

2019-12-05 05:36:13 UTC  

I just got back

2019-12-05 05:36:17 UTC  

the apportionment is

2019-12-05 05:36:52 UTC  

san diego has lots of homeless because it's a very homeless friendly city, the weather is good to live outdoors

2019-12-05 05:37:04 UTC  

i went from san diego to west palm florida, same problem

2019-12-05 05:38:07 UTC  

San Diego gay

2019-12-05 05:38:09 UTC  

you can be from anywhere in the us and end up homeless in san diego, since we dont have intra-national border control

2019-12-05 05:38:27 UTC  

The homeless population there has lead to a large poo clean up problem too

2019-12-05 05:38:47 UTC  

which is remarkable honestly

2019-12-05 05:38:50 UTC  

that's in san fran, which is a much more concentrated city

2019-12-05 05:38:58 UTC  

No it's also in San Diego

2019-12-05 05:39:25 UTC  

Pretty sure, it might be another poo related problem though instead of lurking on the streets