Message from @Sh0t
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Those are just examples don’t take those as factual bribery scandals, I’m just using them
they dont want the same thing. Those 3 countries could want 3x bills, or take any industry. the smoking industry can't bribe 100 and then big oil bribes 200 to get a total of 300. they would each have to bribe 300 for their own issue
an idea is lunacy...when existing countries already have lower ratios and the us had a lower ratio itself. as our population grew, we stopped expanding the house
@Cobra Commander term limits and ratio of population to rep are dealing with different things.
``` it's counterintuitive to having a working republic. ```
How is it 'counterintuitive'? Maybe your intuition is broken, because obviously having a lower ratio is historic precedent and other countries current have dramatically better ratios than we do right now
```which itself assumes that bribery has a "fixed cost" which it literally can't because it is illegal```
the fixed cost is the amount of effort to 'bribe' your way to a guranteed pass
there is precedent in such an issue across the country in the city manager movement, and various other consolidations(going the OTHER way and limited democracy and responsiveness)
republicans lmao
It's counter-intuitive because it makes the congress even more bloated, which will create more gridlock, all the while resting on the assumption that more people in congress will lead to less corruption (which while not impossible is not something you should take as a guarantee at all); term limits largely negates this problem and simply cycles people out, likely before too much corruption happens in the first place; not hard to understand. Also that would not be a "fixed" cost then as that isn't any sort of standardized thing, it's simply the cost of a bribe.
obviously the idea of 'growing' the house is not abnormal since it grew from 65 to 435 from 'founding' till 1920. the change and trend was related more to the urbanization of the country, not a 'size' problem.
Yeah and it's already quite grid locked today
dude, you keep saying term limits. Term limits adderss a DIFFERENT issue altogether. they are compatible
can you not understand the difference between a term limit and ratio of population to representative diluting your 'per session' voice
How exactly is the representative to population ratio as important?
because it raises the amount of voice per person. instead of having your vote diluted with 750k people, it's down to 250k or whatever amount.more reps, more reps to interface with the population, more responsiveness
more districts, smooths out gerrymandering shennanigans, turns the congress more 'parlimentry' instead of washing out so many 'minority' votes
The representative to population ratio should be 1:1 on almost every issue
for a state like california, that's basically what they have on the propositions
and that's amost 40million people
Sure, and I agree on that front, but if you have more people it will still create more gridlock.
You can't increase the amount too much
Well california isn't doing particularly well right now so they aren't exactly a shining example
California is doing great and carries much of the US on its back
it's the world's 6th or 7th largest economy, the proposition system is great, high income but low property taxes, it gets bills that the population wants out faster than almost any state despite its size
it's hamstrung by the federal situation because it has to harmonize with 'conservatives'
it's a major net-tax loser, the worst by gross, and upper third by relative measure
California is also having millions leave the state and has major problems with it's cities
millions leave, millions come, it can't grow forever other states also have industries that are competitive for jobs and population
yea what major problem does san diego have
i lived there 13 years
major problem with california cities is they are too popular, so they are crowded as fuck
and also have major city management problems
San Diego for instance is one of the areas with a large population of homeless people
@Sh0t the House ratio, is based on population
You are talking about the house right?
I just got back
the apportionment is
san diego has lots of homeless because it's a very homeless friendly city, the weather is good to live outdoors
i went from san diego to west palm florida, same problem
San Diego gay
you can be from anywhere in the us and end up homeless in san diego, since we dont have intra-national border control