His twitter is fucking comedy gold

I love it

Just the way he phrases stuff is great

@The Lemon Yeah. Sometimes I wonder if he intentionally makes mistakes like "Smocking gun"

Not sure if is to get the attention, or to distract from the larger issue

Mix of both probably

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Also his "sad!"s are just classic

And the periodic "WITCH HUNT!" tweets

liberals have come to the point where they dont have anything else to do but make fun of Stephen Miller's spray hair

I mean I just made 8 thought out and coherent arguments against trump and about why I think he's not a particularly good president but sure keep generalising that liberals don't have any arguments against trump so that you don't have to actually debate with us @Big Smoke Чунгус

@Wyatt_Earp Yes, Trump does purposefully misspell words. He is a master persuader and by spelling the word wrong, he is making you remember what is said. You also start to think about the misspelled word, which means that some of your brain power that would be devoted to questioning whether he is wrong or not is taken up. These are high level persuasion techniques, and Scott Adams has talked about them quite a bit. Trump has been taught by persuaders/hypnotists. In fact, some people who have worked with him say he thinks about every punctuation mark, every capital letter, etc. Nothing is an accident.

@The Lemon There's a lot in what you said, but most of it isn't fair or particularly established. For instance, you think neither Obama nor Trump had any impact on the economy/unemployment? That's an extreme stance. You don't think bailouts, farm bills, foreign trade, psychological warfare, tax codes, regulations, or many other policies have any impact? That's ridiculous, and you can't expect us to take that comment seriously. If none of that matters, what does matter in regards to the economy?

On the border wall, Trump has made progress, but it's pretty clear that he has been trying and Democrats have been blocking him. Democrats rejected DACA citizenship just so they could block funding the wall. Funny thing is Dems believe in having what they call a fence on the border, which is really no different than the wall Trump talks about.

The Muslim ban was implemented based on countries labled high-risk by the Obama Administration. Who cares if the 9/11 terrorists came from those countries or not? That policy was about preventing future attacks, and a Republican using Democratic countries is about as fair as one can be.

What is the problem with banning Trans people? The military has talked about the costs of this. Trump didn't just make that up. And Trans people already commit suicide at very high rates as do military personnel, so that's a bad mixture. And people taking hormone treatments are not good for the military as they are emotionally unstable and going through a lot. Disabled people, old people, minors, etc. are already banned. Why can't Trans people be added to that list, as gender dysphoria is a real disability.

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@The Lemon Many people didn't agree with the PCA, including some environmentalists back when it was signed. Yes, some countries are trying to follow it, and like I said, the taxes enacted by France has caused those riots. The PCA is going to cause economic harm to countries who try to force themselves to meet those goals, and it's a non-legally binding agreement anyways. You have countered none of this. And on top of that, the USA is LEADING in dropping our CO2 pollution despite not being in the PCA, so how important is it to be in really?

On NAFTA, you're the first person I've heard argue that it the new deal (USMCA) is worse than the old one. It has been praised on a bipartisan basis. Just look at this PolitiFact article: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/dec/01/new-nafta-biggest-trade-deal-ever-donald-trump-g20/

PolitiFact doesn't want to give Trump any credit for anything. They are heavily Left-leaning. If you read between the lines, they try to say the new deal isn't much different, but then they talk about major differences. They talk about major concessions given by Mexico and Canada because those countries feared no deal at all. So the USA improved from this deal. The changes are key to helping the manufacturing industry, which is key to helping our economy. Old establishment types don't understand that importance, because they think we can just have this grand tech economy. So if you think it's worse, explain how it is.

@The Lemon Yes, Obamacare hasn't been repealed. McCain blocked that. There's still time. Health care is very complicated and if Dems and Reps are willing to work together, that may be the best environment for a health care deal. We'll see. You can't expect every issue to be solved in 2 years.

On White Supremacy, you're being ridiculous. Trump said there were good people on both sides of the protesting of the statue. He was talking about the free speech crowd, not the White Supremacists. You probably didn't even know there were free speech people there, but there were, and those people certainly weren't bad people. But how dare Trump try to bring the country together by saying both sides have good people. You only approve of divisiveness and vilifying one side unfairly. You know, there are very few true White supremacists, and the ones that exist are basically outcasts of society.

You say the economic recovery has more to do with economics than politics. You can't separate those two. Economics is intertwined with politics. For instance, the budget is passed in Congress. Regulations, subsidies, trade policy, etc. are all set in Congress. All of those impact the economy.

@The Lemon About the environment, you actually helped prove my point without realizing it. You said that the market won't switch energy sources because fossil fuels will last too long and it'll be too late. By that logic, running out of fossil fuels is not a serious problem, and that was my counter-argument to your point that we were going to run out of fossil fuels.

About the rest, one, we probably view global warming differently. Do you take the argument that we will be beyond repair by 2050? Because I call BS on that. I think we have more time, and economic models have a history of being wrong. Remember in Al Gore's movie how we were supposed to have much of the USA underwater by now? Ice caps were supposed to be melted by now? Super storms were supposed to be happening and much more frequently by now? None of that happened.

In terms of other energy sources, the amount of fossil fuels left isn't the only factor to price. New technology will eventually get prices of other energy sources down, and that will make it more economically viable. Solar has made great strides over the last few decades, and it's economically viable in some parts of the country. We're seeing switches to these types of energy already, so why do you think more switching won't happen in the future? My problem is when you try to force the switch when that is unnecessary, and you cause great economic harm, instead of switching when the technology is ready. You can't say people won't switch off fossil fuels when they have been doing that for decades already.

About vehicles, there is such thing as a solar car. Obviously, there are electric cars as well. Solar can work for vehicles, but we're likely to switch over to electric. GM cut all those jobs this year because they want to focus more on electric and autonomous vehicles. So the machine is already rolling and it won't be stopped.

@The Lemon
You say nuclear [fission] has problems. Yeah, every energy source has some negatives, but if you're talking about the end of humanity due to global warming, nuclear can definitely prevent that. We may not want to build thousands of fission plants, but if it was between that and humanity dying off we could lean on fission. Like I said, though, fusion will likely be the answer eventually (MIT scientists have predicted 15 years). https://www.seeker.com/energy/will-nuclear-fusion-energy-arrive-in-time-to-mitigate-climate-change

You say we need to focus on alternative sources of energy now. We already are. Do you think scientists aren't researching basically every type of energy source we know of? Take a look at this finalist of the Carbon XPRIZE, which created a concrete that reduces the CO2 footprint: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/reimagining-co2:-ucla-team-advances-to-carbon-xprize-finals

There's a company turning CO2 into gasoline and jet fuel: https://www.compelo.com/carbon-engineering-turning-co2-into-gasoline-and-jet-fuel/

Don't buy into the climate alarmism. Global warming is an issue, but humans are remarkably good at solving problems, and every sign points towards humans solving global warming just fine.

unemployent under Obunga increased so much until Trump came

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shut up nigga

who the fuck made this bot

@atheist4thecause Of course they have some effect on the economy but my point was that the gradual decrease in unemployment over the past 9 years was inevitable assuming we recovered from the recession

Sure the Democrats are blocking trump with the border wall (probably good its a waste of money) but when Obama was in power Trump criticised Obama for not getting stuff done when the republicans blocked him, why shouldn't trump get the same treatment?

Whether or not Obama firat drafted the list or not (I'm not actually a huge Obama fan myself far prefer Bernie) Trump still tried to implement the Muslim ban and the list of countries didn't make sense. If its truly about minimising risk then why not block all countries that could pose a threat. Furthermore the majority of Muslim terrorists are radicalised after they come to the west so blocking immigration does little to nothing (plus radical Islamic terrorism was already going down due to the fall of ISIS)

The problem with banning trans people is it was thousands and thousands of people being instantly fired by the president himself, over twitter, with no warning, and with no consultation with his millitary advisors or the pentagon whatsoever, claiming it was to do with money when that clearly was not a problem seeing as they spend more money on fucking viagra. Most trans people are as physically healthy and the majority have also already gone through hormone treatment or haven't gone through it yet and therefore perfectly capable of serving in the millitary.

I'd say protections on the environment are going to become more important in America now that trump wants to bring back coal so badly. Also of course it is going to have a negative effect on the economy, that's the trade off for having new Orleans above water.

I don't know a huge amount about NAFTA but from what I've heard the new deal is worse, I'll get back to you on that one though.

Again for Obamacare, Obama was criticised by people like trump for "not getting stuff done" when republicans blocked what he wanted to do so why shouldn't trump get the same treatment. The Democrats in the senate are democratically elected and representing the population so it needs to be a deal they are happy with before he should be allowed to pass it.

You say there were very few white supremacists but I quite clearly saw a massive crowd of people chanting "Jews will not replace us" Trump's exact words were "there were very bad people, on both sides" very positive and unifying there. @atheist4thecause

@atheist4thecause I never said running out of fossil fuels is not a serious problem although to be honest it isn't. The main problem with fossil fuels is all the CO2 that they produce and the effect on global warming and the greenhouse effect.

@atheist4thecause Although I do want to get a couple of things straight because I have very strong opinions on this topic, firstly I don't buy into the bullshit that we'll all die by 2050, The uncertainty in our calculations of global warming means the change in temperature in the next century could be roughly anywhere between 1-4 degrees increase. That's the difference between pretty insignificant and total Armageddon. What we do know about global warming however is that our actions on the planet especially with fossil fuels are having an effect on it

Namely they are speeding it up

Sure we really don't know by how much

@Big Smoke Чунгус Obama's unemployment rate dropped drastically. It hiked under Bush when the Housing Market Bubble popped.

But we know it will become a problem at some point in the future

Thank you btw

for that graph cba to find it myself

But also secondly for the record I am more pro-nuclear than anyone else you will ever meet

My argument was exactly the opposite of anti nuclear

My point was it takes a while to put the research in and build the stations now before we start to run out of fossil fuels

Aka we should hurry the fuck up with converting to nuclear

Rather than "waiting until the market wants it"

Also we need to put a lot more energy in to thorium nuclear power

I won't get started on that right now because I could honestly rant about it for ages

And it's already past 11PM here

But ask me about it another time and I'd be happy to explain it to you