Message from @Pelth

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2019-10-07 18:50:51 UTC  

Clearly it’s going in one ear and out the other

2019-10-07 18:51:05 UTC  

Idealism without illusions

2019-10-07 18:51:14 UTC  

What about it is incompatible with a stateless, moneyless, profitless society?

2019-10-07 18:51:21 UTC  

I seeing a lot of mushrooms and clouds rn

2019-10-07 18:51:40 UTC  

I'm staunchly opposed to idealism philosophically

2019-10-07 18:51:56 UTC  

What do you agree with?

2019-10-07 18:52:45 UTC  

Historical Materialism, A dialectical theory of knowledge, empiricism

2019-10-07 18:52:47 UTC  

shit like that

2019-10-07 18:52:58 UTC  

What does that mean?

2019-10-07 18:53:11 UTC  

Specifically historical materialism

2019-10-07 18:53:25 UTC  

Like the Marxist theory of history

2019-10-07 18:54:03 UTC  

"The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."

2019-10-07 18:54:18 UTC  

ofc\

2019-10-07 18:54:34 UTC  

And it’s untrue

2019-10-07 18:54:38 UTC  

Classes struggling in order to gain power and such

2019-10-07 18:54:45 UTC  

He was a brainlet

2019-10-07 18:54:47 UTC  

What about now?

2019-10-07 18:54:56 UTC  

What should we do now?

2019-10-07 18:54:58 UTC  

Name a single state which has existed without socioeconomic classes? @Pelth

2019-10-07 18:55:37 UTC  

and furthermore name one where these classes are not in conflict with one another

2019-10-07 18:55:44 UTC  

The struggles between classes weren’t the primary issue. People knew their places in society

2019-10-07 18:56:13 UTC  

@3v6en8 Engage in the destruction of bourgeois class society, and build a world where human need is the primary driving force

2019-10-07 18:56:37 UTC  

Where is the innovation in that society?

2019-10-07 18:57:08 UTC  

@Pelth That's why slaves societies never had slave revolts, feudal societies never had peasant revolts, mercantilist society never had bourgeois revolution, and capitalist society has never had proletarian revolution

2019-10-07 18:57:12 UTC  

It’s tribe vs tribe and every tribe has classes within it.

2019-10-07 18:57:14 UTC  

People just know their place

2019-10-07 18:57:48 UTC  

@3v6en8 Innovation according to human need

2019-10-07 18:58:00 UTC  

As opposed to innovation for the sake of personal gain

2019-10-07 18:58:29 UTC  

So people won't ask for more because we're all born moral, ethical and altruistic?

2019-10-07 18:58:48 UTC  

We only need a room, water/food, and clothing to work?

2019-10-07 18:58:52 UTC  

No, people won't be in headspaces where they're trained to ignore ethics and human suffering

2019-10-07 18:58:55 UTC  

@fuck12moredeadcops is this nonsense what they teach you in college?

2019-10-07 18:59:03 UTC  

I didn't go to college

2019-10-07 18:59:12 UTC  

Ahh

2019-10-07 18:59:15 UTC  

Checkmate Libtard

2019-10-07 18:59:17 UTC  

Most wars throughout history were disagreements amongst the rulers of the leaders of opposing tribes, not disagreements amongst the tribe itself

2019-10-07 18:59:34 UTC  

Went straight into the workforce then got radicalized while working construction

2019-10-07 18:59:35 UTC  

Where is our incentive to work?

2019-10-07 18:59:53 UTC  

So you’re a Mexican @fuck12moredeadcops

2019-10-07 18:59:56 UTC  

*Maybe the barrel of a govt police's gun*

2019-10-07 18:59:57 UTC  

@3v6en8 Can you honestly not conceive of working for a reason other than "Ah shit I want a wage"