Message from @Platinum Spark
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So to be clear, you’ve withdrawn your statement that he lied
Correct?
Not really? I just said that he changed the wording of the transcript while speaking to congress, that can absolutely be considered a lie.
My point is that if the transcript were enough, then there was no reason for him to do that there.
So you think he did not make it clear that he was characterizing, rather than reciting, the memo?
This sophistacted chick needs to find something to do with her life
yeah really. Also yes, he only stated that it was a parody afterwards. He said "it read like a classic mobster shakedown" but this is not an indication that he is about to make a parody of the transcript, it would make sense for him to actually read the transcript verbatim if he wants to actually demonstrate this. Making shit up helps nobody here.
So when he started “"Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates:”
You did not understand that to mean that he is paraphrasing
Or when, at the end, he said:
“"This is, in sum and character, what the president was trying to communicate with the president of Ukraine. “
You feel those words, explicitly saying that it is not a recitation, are not enough to make it clear to you that it is not a recitation?
I know he tried to paraphrase it, but you're missing the point that if you're in a congressional hearing you should be telling this exactly like how it's worded, not abridging it, so that you can get the full context and information.
Your expertise on the strategy of congressional hearings notwithstanding
A lie is a willful misrepresentation of the truth (what you’re doing right now, for instance)
Every single person in the room had read the memo
Now that we’ve established that you were lying about what Schiff said
What part of his statement do YOU feel was a mischaracterization or the memo?
Yeah, and this seems to have misrepresented the transcript. There's still no quid pro quo in the transcript itself, and it still stands that Hunter and Joe were both mentioned a collective amount of three times tangentially.
note that it is still possible for other evidence to show evidence of a quid pro quo with Ukraine, but it's not in this transcript.
You are currently lying.
About what specifically?
Without regurgitating partisan talking points, what part of his characterization do you believe was inaccurate?
Does he have a quote showing there’s no quid pro quo and a quote showing there’s only 3 mentions of the Bidens?
For instance, quoting part of it
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Have you read or heard Schiff’s statement?
Shouldn’t it be your job to be able to provide evidence that there is quid pro quo in the transcript, and that there are more than a few tangential mentions of the Bidens?
Like he can’t show you a quote that these things are evident without just showing you the entire transcript
You’re asserting that Schiff claimed something in his statement that was not represented in the memo
Back that with any evidence whatsoever
i can give you the lines where he mentions the bidens, posting everything that *doesn;t* mention them would be almost the entire thing.
Because it does not seem like you are familiar with Schiff’s statement
I literally just watched it again
Yes, please give me the lines in Schiff’s statement that you feel are misrepresentations
You claimed Schiff represented a quid pro quo where none existed, quote it
Because you’re a liar.
Okay “I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you, though. And I'm going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent. Understand? Lots of it, on this and on that."
This isn’t supported by the content of the transcript
"Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about *Biden's son*, that *Biden* stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. *Biden* went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."