modern day people that mention the Jungle don't really know about the economic history of the time

I agree I don't know about the economic history. What does it matter

the blueprint of all of it was the ICC and the railroads, which included refridgerated rail road cars, etc

it matters because if you get the history wrong, you will come to the wrong conclusion

That's why we have elected representatives.... To do the research and figure it out

the big 5 meat packers were trying to cartelize the industry, and kill their smaller competitiors

Why are we talking about this in Trump channel

As a private citizen I can't figure out everything

well the problem there is the elected reps or their challegners might be in the pay of effectively the same people

So I vote for people who should be doing that

which is exactly what happened 100-120 years ago to get us into this mess

No I agree they can be bought off...but it's still the way it should work in the way we should fight for it to work

Even worse because they used the idea of a phony 'consumer rights' as a cover story, but it was really about cartelizing their industry

It's the best option we've got

this is where i think progressives sometimes get in trouble because they often can't understand the more slick economic warfare tricks

I dunno, that's kind of where i become more libertarian because without really looking at things sharply, you can walk into traps

I'm not a progressive. I'm a moderate

not saying you, but just that model of thinking

Gotcha

I agree we get into trouble when we want simple answers

@Platinum Spark would you allow people to sell it if it was properly labeled? YOu would just simply outlaw the whole holistic 'health' industry?

Me? No idea.

That's why I'm not running for congress

and keep in mind as well, this is happenign near the same time marijuana started to become illegal

people back then were told about all these horrors and dangers of marijuana, it will do this and do that

mostly all bullshit as we know, but that was a huge selling point, and not much different than what you are saying here @Platinum Spark

Legalize marijuana

same peopel who lied to us about marijuana lied to us about a bunch of things around the same time

remember prohibition?

Well that's where I disagree. "Same" people.

cannabis is a severe threat to the lumber industry as well as food and oils

Interesting

the pulp yield from one season completely eclipses what you can get from trees

it's got longer fibers so it makes more durable particle board

"but the biodegradable plastics aren't perfectly clear... **unusable**!!!"

how tf am I supposed to drink water out of a bottle that isn't perfectly clear or slightly blue-tinted

yea dupont had just invented nylon too

getting hemp rope off the market was great for them

prohibition of alcohol had just ended, so that huge law enforcement apparatus needed something to do

and hearst the newspaper man also owned wood pulp paper mills

"what do you mean *grow your own recreational substances in your back yard*, enough of this nonsense we can't tax the shit out of you for!"