Message from @I/IgnoreReality

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2019-12-12 09:14:21 UTC  

Fuck yummy add

2019-12-12 09:14:31 UTC  

you said "equilibrium we passed", etc, the very idea such a thing existed/exists is part of the problem

2019-12-12 09:14:32 UTC  

Fuck my ass *

2019-12-12 09:14:42 UTC  

Stupid autocorrect

2019-12-12 09:14:53 UTC  

'complex' in this case does not mean complicated or 'having many parts'

2019-12-12 09:15:27 UTC  

so are you arguing we should give the government unlimited power?

2019-12-12 09:15:38 UTC  

That's also not what it means

2019-12-12 09:15:46 UTC  

is that what you're saying?

2019-12-12 09:17:03 UTC  

if it's not, then there is some "imaginary line" where the people have a certain amount of power and the government has a certain amount, that we should strive to find and uphold

2019-12-12 09:17:29 UTC  

and giving the government more power than it needs to do what we want it to is a terrible idea

2019-12-12 09:17:31 UTC  

there is no line to cross. the systems we design have to be adaptive

2019-12-12 09:17:38 UTC  

that metaphor is broken

2019-12-12 09:17:50 UTC  

yes adapt, wow so intellectual

2019-12-12 09:18:29 UTC  

a line that moves then

2019-12-12 09:18:31 UTC  

is that better

2019-12-12 09:18:39 UTC  

the people can have way more rights and privacy than they have now AND the government can get more done, they are not necessarily in conflict

2019-12-12 09:19:09 UTC  

i disagree

2019-12-12 09:19:13 UTC  

but in general, those framings of the issue are all bad, which is part of the point of their book

2019-12-12 09:19:20 UTC  

I think the more power you give government the more it will be abused

2019-12-12 09:19:37 UTC  

it is the nature of power

2019-12-12 09:19:37 UTC  

Are u actually retarded?

2019-12-12 09:19:44 UTC  

Fucking hell

2019-12-12 09:20:03 UTC  

nature of power for an individual and a system are going to be very different, that's the scale issue mentioned above

2019-12-12 09:20:06 UTC  

and the IC has far too much power when it relates to American citizens

2019-12-12 09:21:42 UTC  

anyone that can read that list of 17 abuses and excuse them as "clerical" is not an honest person

2019-12-12 09:21:47 UTC  

occassionally, it has far too little, or it takes too long to get what they need, or not enough money is spent, or spent on the wrong technologies or processes, etc. I like to focus on the oversight scenarios, because there is no easy way to codify it

2019-12-12 09:22:54 UTC  

17 “significant inaccuracies and omissions”

2019-12-12 09:23:11 UTC  

right

2019-12-12 09:23:13 UTC  

dishonest

2019-12-12 09:23:24 UTC  

Individuals can have their heart in the right place and make all kinds of mistakes than can be interpreteted as intentional abuse

2019-12-12 09:23:31 UTC  

How's Trump reacting to the Articles that were drafted?

2019-12-12 09:23:54 UTC  

sometimes real ABUSE can be perfectly executed, legally speaking

2019-12-12 09:24:26 UTC  

unless it helped Trump, then you'd be screaming for their heads

2019-12-12 09:24:46 UTC  

you keep saying that, but it's not true. this issue is much bigger than Trump

2019-12-12 09:24:50 UTC  

and far older

2019-12-12 09:25:06 UTC  

I saw the site, Sh0t. It is pretty decent.

2019-12-12 09:25:15 UTC  

nice

2019-12-12 09:25:17 UTC  

I could translate it for you if you're THAT interested.

2019-12-12 09:25:28 UTC  

Although it would take a while.

2019-12-12 09:25:32 UTC  

I found it linked from Musgrave's blog I think an di was like wtf is this lol

2019-12-12 09:25:56 UTC  

It's pretty good for sure.