Message from @Yusa

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2020-02-05 16:04:55 UTC  

I have plenty of arguments for good things Trump has done during the Sotu. I also faves 3 values packed full with evidence.

2020-02-05 16:05:05 UTC  

Did you even read those?

2020-02-05 16:05:12 UTC  

You just spouting shit and tagging me when I’m not online does not constitute an argument

2020-02-05 16:05:23 UTC  

No, I didn’t watch the sotu and I didn’t read your shit

2020-02-05 16:05:42 UTC  

Alright, what about the 3 values with loads of evidence?

2020-02-05 16:05:56 UTC  

So I’m giving you this opportunity right now to state your list of what you think trump has done well

2020-02-05 16:06:06 UTC  

I don’t know what you’re talking about

2020-02-05 16:07:01 UTC  

I will repost them

2020-02-05 16:07:23 UTC  

No, I’m not reading some list someone else wrote

2020-02-05 16:07:27 UTC  

Tell me in your words

2020-02-05 16:07:41 UTC  

Then if the time comes you can use them as source evidence for specific claims

2020-02-05 16:07:57 UTC  

That’s not what you do

2020-02-05 16:08:00 UTC  

It’s not my job to wade through whatever documents you want to provide

2020-02-05 16:08:17 UTC  

Ok, well if you don’t want to have a real discussion then I guess we can’t

2020-02-05 16:08:18 UTC  

You try to make the rules of the debate and then you break them yourself

2020-02-05 16:08:54 UTC  

I think everyone on here can tell you I debate with intellectual honesty and fairness

2020-02-05 16:09:01 UTC  

I want to have a logical discussion, but when you decide how the discussion will go, how is it a discussion?

2020-02-05 16:09:20 UTC  

There are some basic rules to how debate works

2020-02-05 16:09:26 UTC  

You need a clear statement

2020-02-05 16:09:36 UTC  

So I’m asking you to make a clear statement

2020-02-05 16:09:37 UTC  

I have one

2020-02-05 16:09:44 UTC  

Ok, then tell me.

2020-02-05 16:09:44 UTC  

I will.

2020-02-05 16:09:53 UTC  

What do you think trump has done well, in your own words

2020-02-05 16:10:43 UTC  

In your own words.

2020-02-05 16:10:45 UTC  

@Yusa, I couldn't read the WSJ article because of paywall, but here goes anyway:

1) NAFTA was good, and USMCA was too in principle, but not in practice; jobs were outsourced instead of pushed back into the US, because companies didn't have to subject themselves to paying 16 dollars/h when they could pay much less plus deduct healthcare costs in Mexico for example. Idk what kind of business "genius" Trump is if he couldn't predict that would happen.

2) Government favouring any religion and/or belief over another automatically dismantles any idea that it's protecting religious freedom; there's plenty of evidence for that around, and I think you would agree (think Charlottesville, Muslim ban, etc.)

3) I honestly got no idea what the benefit of this is. It sounds like a meaningless technicality to me, but feel free to add share why this matters so much and how it exemplifies Trump's values.

2020-02-05 16:10:48 UTC  

This is not how debate works

2020-02-05 16:10:54 UTC  

fuck typing on phone btw.

2020-02-05 16:11:04 UTC  

fuck typing on phone very much.

2020-02-05 16:11:24 UTC  

Lol, I completely understand Vlad

2020-02-05 16:11:35 UTC  

@Yusa ok, 1. Trump has done nothing to improve trade deals.

2020-02-05 16:11:47 UTC  

And you have not provided any evidence that suggests otherwise

2020-02-05 16:12:20 UTC  

2. Trump has enacted several anti-religious freedom policies, including the Muslim ban. He is against religious freedom

2020-02-05 16:12:31 UTC  

@Deleted User you ask for sources than tell us that you’re not going to read them

2020-02-05 16:12:51 UTC  

Basically every economist out there is criticizing Trump’s trade policies. It’s one of the few things economists have a consensus on

2020-02-05 16:12:55 UTC  

3. Lowering regulation is a bad thing, it leads to dead weight loss and lowers the health of Americans and makes the market less free.

2020-02-05 16:13:05 UTC  

None of your sources refute any of my points

2020-02-05 16:13:11 UTC  

@Vlad
1. Sorry, I’ll grab different evidence for that
2. When is he favoring a certain religion?
3. Did you read any of the articles I sent? The benefit is shown there.

2020-02-05 16:13:16 UTC  

This is why you have to make claims BEFORE you provide sources

2020-02-05 16:13:33 UTC  

I told you when, @Yusa. I gave you a couple of irrefutable examples.