well I am sorry

continue

I don't really have anything to say

I already made a point

Well you said that I was assuming that "we have to go one issue at a time", and idk where I implied that or even how that is relevant

it's relevant because you assume that there aren't ways to stop the symptoms of that

without just giving them to economic forces

ok well I would appreciate it if you could present a full argument that I could work with

what argument is there to present?

it's pretty straightforward

Do you want me to give an argument against capitalism or?

That would be great

Capitalism is bad because it prioritizes personal wellbeing over the common welfare. Whether or not something is good is not the primary concern, the main concern is individual profit. I don't believe in Capitalism because I believe that the state needs to have the power to organize and enforce the will of the people. I don't care about individual rights and I only care about what is morally good and collectively good. Capitalism does not inherently promote that, so I want a system that does. Once we realize that the economy only existed because it was deemed to be beneficial and only exists because people allow it to, we will be able to have an actually good economic system that puts the common good as the highest goal in the economy.

ooh

what system do u suggest

I was about to ask the same question

I will present a counter argument but I wanted to ask that first

great minds 🧠 🧠

something like syndicalism or corporatism

something that isn't communist or capitalist but adheres to the principles I laid out before

what specifically it is doesn't matter as much as if it's an honest system

oh ok then

not corporatism 😳

I would argue that what is morally good is non-aggression and the state is an inherently aggressive institution. Massive corporations/monopolies are created by the government. Capitalism allows the people to really vote (as tired as the expression is, I think it still reigns true) with their dollar. The will of the people will find its way. Capitalism is all about serving, which is what the community welfare is all about. There is no profit without service. The greatest profits are made by those companies who serve those of the community the best. Capitalism inherently promotes this. Capitalism is what creates wealth, etc

Capitalism doesn't inherently promote the common welfare it's a system focused on personal gain

If you want to see how monopolies are formed a good thing to look at is the industrial revolution

in a time where the government sent in troops to stop union workers on strikes. The government barely intervened in the economy compared to something like today and these monopolies that removed smaller businesses were forming

What you seem to be promoting is a message but you don't have the backing for it

like when you say massive corporations are formed by the government and that Capitalism allows people to "vote with their dollar"

which is just not true, other factors override their supposed choice

in who will be able to stay

all you do with capitalism is remove the power of the people to forcibly remove people that aren't contributing to the common good

Its a system focused on service

They can not pay those people

Id say thats pretty forceful

It isn't though

not at all

The refusal to purchase a company's products

forceful is going to the place and kicking them out

not paying for products doesn't do anything if other factors make not paying them wishful thinking.

Why is violence ok if the company isn't being violent