Message from @thomas the choo choo tree
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For example a teen pregnancy has less potential to get the job they want or to continue in their life
You would then be impeding on the mom's potential
Medically yes, if the mother's life is at risk then the fetus would be unviable anyway, and even if you could save the fetus while killing the mother I think that a current life has precedent over potential life
also in cases of rape. billcat, sperm and egg = potential for life right? do you think abortion should be allowed in cases of rape
"Socially an economically?" No, that's just a cheap excuse to absolve somebody of a poor choice with a poorer solution
so you would save a potential life by killing a already living human
So, then by saying "current life has precedent over potential life" it would be morally wrong to force a mother to have a child which would ruin her current life for a potential of life
I'll start by responding to ashnaa, Once we can agree on the vast majority of abortion cases, then we can address each outlier group
To thomas, I literally just said the opposite
wait what, sorry my english bad
we're not going to agree
And to Komrade, nobody is forcing the mother to keep the child?
You're saying they shouldn't get an abortion
So, they'd then need to keep the child or put them up for adoption or a foster home. All of which end poorly
No, because ending a life because it might harm your economic status is immoral to my view
Uhm, no? That doesn't really make much sense.
billcat, imagine you are pregnant, and you giving birth can mess up your life and ruin your dreams. would you still abort
For one, foster care has literally nothing to do with giving a baby up. Foster care only steps in when CPS has ruled a mother is unfit in caring for the child
the adoption and foster system are currently messed up. if you were trying to get an abortion in the first place, you probably wouldn't be able to provide a safe and loving home to your child.
So the whole "foster care" argument is incredibly nonsensical, as it coninflates two issues.
and yeah anyways foster and adoption are both NOT alternatives to abortion
adoption takes away your role in the baby's life AFTER it is born. not your role in it before it is born, AND during child birth
So, what is your alternative to aborting the baby prior to it being born @Billcat
And second off, that's not true at all, in regards to adoption. Private adoption waiting lists are in the tens of thousands long and families wait for years, with families being extensively examined in order for fitness
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https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/waiting_adoptive_families
"***It is difficult to find reliable statistics to answer this question. Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States — which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption. ***"
Is a child struggling justification for killing them?
That is by an adoption agency of course they'll say that
And, it's not murder if they're not alive