I believe in the psychology behind dysphoria, and personally I do believe that includes non-binary, a lot of transmeds don't, though

but dysphoria is the *point* in *being* trans, yes

eh

i won't debate you on it

mental illness here

that's fair ^^

You are either one or the other you can’t be neither lmao

the whole dysphoria debate is itself tearing the community apart

I agree

GG @bensharpies, you just advanced to level 1!

i see it that you really ought to just let people identify and use whatever pronouns they wish

like even if you disagree you still should respect their choice

because what damage does it cause to you

nope

There shouldn’t be any prosecution for those who don’t agree to those pronouns they wish to be called though

i identify as a dinosaur

I identify as a helicopter

What type 🤤

to a degree I agree, however when it gets to be "you can be whatever you want as long as you believe!" quickly gets into appropriation of a mental illness territory

uh no because you identify as a dinosaur are you really a dinosaur? no

The whole pronouns thing is so stupid to me like they/them WHAT?

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treating a non-dysphoric with transition will give them backwards dysphoria

you wouldn't treat a non-depressed person with antidepressants, that will mess up their already okay brain

i mean if someone is just experimenting they won't immediately start hormones or anything like that

exploration is totally awesome and good, yeah

and again using someone's preferred name and pronouns can sort of show them whether or not they are trans

if you get what i mean?

I get that 100%

introducing hormones doesn't change your gender

like they might feel uncomfortable with it, but if you never use it they'll never know

introducing hormones does not change your gender, trans men are men and trans women are women no matter if they start hrt or not

@Darman you can change your secondary sex characteristics, so that others will read you as that gender in public

yes, but scientifically they are their biological gender

of course

:/

you mean sex? @Darman

I'm never going to grab someone by the neck saying "you better watch it or you'll go home in an ambulence" for calling me a girl though

sex and gender correlate with each other or meaning they are the same

gender and sex are the same thing

that's actually kind of debatable