Stands had representation in government

Then was further codified by Constantine

and that was done through clergy

And the various liturgical councils that were presided over by the Roman emperor

It was done through clergy near the end of the empire, but that was very much a means to an end

They used Christianity to consolidate power; they didn’t consolidate power because of Christianity.

Which is like, my whole point.

but essentially, the ranking system you referred to

your argument is that duke is latin and was used by rome

turns out, was used completely differently

If you want to learn about this stuff I recommend checking out the history of Rome podcast

so was the word nobility and that entire class system

they didn't have such power nor rule

No, it’s that the actual reason that dukes called themselves dukes

Was to claim that Roman title authority

Same with Emperor

So wait your argument is that the codified peerage system was based on religion therefore any war about the rights of nobility is a war about religion?

Is that your argument?

no it appears that the ranking system as demonstrated in Rome was made from the "first men" concept

but who overthrew Rome in the end?

What ranking system?

Patrician and Plebs

Oh that was only an early republic thing

There were so many rich plebs and poor patricians by the fall of the empire that no one super cared about those distinctions, certainly not outside of Italy

And Greece

But to answer your question, I wouldn’t say that Rome was “overthrown”

No but wasn't Christianity the reason Rome fell at all

As much as it decayed

The short answer is no.

That was Gibbon’s theory, but it’s not given a lot of credence these days

welp then I'm now really gonna go then

we'll agree to disagree

Lol

Oh I would love to hear your *well informed* opinion about how Christianity caused the fall of the empire

I’m sure it will be well researched and not a random spouting of semi-related Wikipedia articles

Goodnight 😘

Your duke definition didn't come from wikipedia?

May wanna stop shooting yourself in the foot

Oh, I knew that off the top of my head

Goodnight 😊

I just sent you the text from Wikipedia so you’d believe it